Am I Ready

[allnatural1]

Ok, I am 5"4 148lbs about 12 % Bodyfat. 37 yrs old. Been Training for 5yrs. 1 yr ago got my diet dialed in. I was about 18% bodyfat then. So for the first 4 years i was just eating and training hard 5 days a week. I weighed about 167 then. So i have lost about 20lbs and maintained the same strength. People have really noticed a difference. I am still training 5 days a week and doing about 20 mins cardio a day. i am currently eating six meals a day with a protien shake in the middle of the night. first 4 meals with carbs and last 2 with just protien and greens. currently eating 200 grams protien and 225 carbs. No fat besides what i get from the night cassien shakes and red meat 3 times per week. So what do you experts think? would i be ready to do a cycle? I have everything i need. Even PCT.

[samcam]

Looks good to me, I'd start with a low dose Test E or C 400-500mg/Wk, shot twice per week for 10-12 wks then start proper PCT two weeks after last injection and you will grow like a weed.

[dupa95]

Single test 10 to 12 week 500mg

[allnatural1]

Ok, I have Test E on hand. I am i little worried about gyno. I was thinking about running 250 for wks 1-10 and kick starting the cycle with 25mg of dbol or cutting drol in half. Making it 25 mg. Do you think the dbol or drol is to much for the first cycle? You think i could get away with .5 cc shot twice per week or is 500 ideal? Oh the kickstart would be for 4 wks.

[dupa95]

500 is best kick stat is your call. I am running Test E with a Dbol kicker 1st cycle. in jectable that is.

[samcam]

My first cycle was 400mg Test E for 10 weeks and I put on 25 lbs., awesome cycle! I would just run Test alone and see how your body reacts and save the dbol for your next cycle, theres no sense adding different compounds when your body is fresh and you don't need them, jmo though.

[allnatural1]

Ok, Sound good I have clomid and Nolva on hand. Any thoughts on pct? I really do appreciate the help. I will just do test e for 10 wks.

[samcam]

Ok, Sound good I have clomid and Nolva on hand. Any thoughts on pct? I really do appreciate the help. I will just do test e for 10 wks.

You will get many different responses on this, but this is what I always run and never ever had a problem.

Two weeks after last Test injection, three week PCT:

1st week : 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
2nd week : 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
3rd week : 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

[allnatural1]

Thank You

[rager]

500 is best kick stat is your call. I am running Test E with a Dbol kicker 1st cycle. in jectable that is.

Did you say you had Dbol injectable? Tough to find that !!!

[allnatural1]

No i am wondering about the side effects of doing a test cycle as compared to the bad experience i had with the anadrol 50?

[dupa95]

yes I would I never start a cycle until I have my pct in hand and my letro for gyno flare up

[allnatural1]

Ok so is it safe to say that the nolva and clomid that i have on hand are just not right or enough for me?

[dupa95]

Nope you need letro for gyno control

[allnatural1]

I got it. So just use the letro if gyno flares up and do normal pct as planned. Nolva and Clomid? So i will get letro before i start. If i need to use the letro how much would i use?

[dupa95]

really depends on the gyno just startin spray a day. advanced 10 sprays then taper down daily to one spay throuout cycle.

[AaronJM1984]

the letro will help keep bloat down too!

[allnatural1]

So i will only use letro if gyno flares. If it flares up and i use letro would pct still start 2 weeks from last injection? Would i discontinue the letro after the last injection or right before i start pct?

[legobricks]

Letro is too strong. Especially for just a simple enanthate cycle. I would opt for either nolva, toremafine, or arimidex. The first 2 I just mentioned are SERMS in which novla is easy to get and works (ive used it numerous times) but the toremafine is better (less sides and supposavely better then nolva in regards to toxicity) but seems to be harder to find. Arimidex or liquidex (same thing just different names) is an AI which will inhibit the enzyme aromatase in which will lower the levels of estrogen meaning less getting to the receptors where as the SERMS fight the estrogen for the receptors. Either one works, and either is good. Only use the AI or SERM if gyno is starting to become a problem. liquidex can be used at .25mg per day until the gyno subsides (may even go up to .5 per day but that is a lot).

[allnatural1]

The only thing that worries me is when i took the anadrol I took nolva along with it and my nipples after one week were on fire. So do you think nolva might work better with a simple test cycle as apposed to the anadrol? I do understand not to use the nolva unless it is needed.

[allnatural1]

Anyone?

[Mbuffguy]

i think u gotta change your name man

[legobricks]

If your worried that the nolvadex didnt work then get an AI. You can get it off of ar-r.com

[allnatural1]

So i will order some liquidex. From what i read it looks as though gyno is pretty common for people using anadrol. What i am wondering is if gyno symptoms are as common for a test cycle without the anadrol? I realize everyone reacts different. Just trying to get all my ducks in a row before i start.

[samcam]

From what i read it looks as though gyno is pretty common for people using anadrol.

Actually I have heard the that it's kind of rare. I'm running it now so maybe I will find out.

[allnatural1]

r u running test and anadrol?

[samcam]

r u running test or anadrol?

Test E, EQ and A-drol.

[AaronJM1984]

IMO some people are more prone to getting gyno, so whatever you take probably has a better chance of causing a flare up then someone who is not prone to gyno, I've used Anadrol at 150mg a day with no problem, I'm lucky in that department.

[testosterona]

my bbest first ccycle was test e 500mgs wk for 12wks. for the last 4-6wks it was winnyh at 50mgs ed inj. great gains there

test

[allnatural1]

So if i get a flare up and start to treat it how soon do you think the symptoms would subside? When i used the drol after the flare up i discontinued the drol within a couple of days. I continued treatment with the nolva but the feelings in my nipples never went away until i discontinued the nolva. I continued the nolva for 5 days.

[allnatural1]

I would like to thank all of you for taking the time to read and respond to my posts. This is a great community. I have ordered my ai and will wait to start my cycle until it shows up. I would like to ask for one more piece of advice before i start my cycle. My goal is not to get huge. I have already put on allot of muscle over the years. I would like to gain a little more lean mass. Maybe 8-10 lbs. So i am still planning the simple test e cycle for 10weeks and we have already established that i am gyno prone. So i want my cycle to have as little sides as possible. Is it possible for me to run test at a dosage of 250 mg per week split into 2 doses of .5 cc? Would i gain anything from that? Would the sides possibly be less. If you do not think so then i would go with 500 mg. Split into 2 doses of 1cc. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated and thank you again.

[AaronJM1984]

Don't bother with 250mg a week, go for 500mg a week split into 2 doses, 500mg a week really isn't that high of a dose, some guys shoot 1gram a week! You won't see many sides, maybe alittle acne, some bloating, if you have an ai on hand then don't worry about it. The only way to completely escape sides is to not cycle at all, ya know. Sides are exaggerated though, you'll be fine as long as you have that ai. I tried Test E, kickstarted with Anadrol a year ago, the only thing I noticed was a few stray hairs growing on my shoulders.

[allnatural1]

Thanks for all the help Bro's. I will keep you posted how my cycle goes.