2nd Cycle Critique Mass/Bulk

[wukillabee]

Looking to do another cycle early-mid january. First cycle was test enth ugl only and my body responds very well to test enth and only sides was round week 6 had sensitive nips. Took l-dex (liquid arimidex) at .5mg ed for 7 days and it went away just fine. Only other sides was some pimples on my back and thats it. I really want to bulk on this cycle and i know its mainly diet and ill be eating like a horse but need the extra edge.
Stats:
Im 24yrs, just under 6 foot, 11-13%bf (gettin it down now with clen), 206lb,training 6yrs, bbing 4yrs.
This is what im thinking:
Weeks 1-12/14 Test Enth @ 625mg week
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol-50 @ 50-75mg ed
OR:
Weeks 1-12/14 Omnadren's @ 750mg week
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol-50 @ 50-75mg ed

I have tons of anadrols so i can run it higher or longer. Ive never used anadrol before so i was thinking 50mg ed for the first 2 weeks and if i feel the need then bump up to 75mg the last 2 weeks. The test enth is 250mg/ml so i was thinking 250mg shot mon, 150mg shot wed, and 250mg shot friday. For the omnas i was thinking 1amp mon, 1amp wed, 1amp fri. I know people love to say sust mixes ed or eod but omna is longer estered and people get good results shooting twice a week so i dnt think my protocol is bad. I already have the anadrols so im opened to suggestions. Also, is 14 weeks ok to run the test for my second cycle and at these levels? Thanks!

[hugovsilva]

For a 2nd cycle I would add some deca at 400mg per week.

If in the 1st cycle you got sensitive nips I would advise you to run adex from the start if you add deca.

[wukillabee]

For a 2nd cycle I would add some deca at 400mg per week.

If in the 1st cycle you got sensitive nips I would advise you to run adex from the start if you add deca.

Well of course deca for a perfect bulk but cant afford it right now. Leaning more to the omna cycle of 750mg a week but should i do 12 or 14 weeks? Ill have plenty of omnas for either or and hcg if needed towards the end since its kinda long cycle. What do u guys think? I wouldnt mind a 14 week banger!

[MercyDog]

12 or 14????????? doesn't matter, you'll grow longer on 14 though

[wukillabee]

12 or 14????????? doesn't matter, you'll grow longer on 14 though

Thats what i was thinking! Is this cool guys?
weeks 1-14 750mg omnadren
weeks 1-4 50-75mg anadrol ed
weeks 13-16 Halodrol-50 75mg ed
PCT:
weeks 16-20 proviron 25mg ed
weeks 16-20 nolva 20mg ed

Is this cycle and pct ok? Also do u guys think ill need hcg at all towards the end or for pct? I have 10,000iu on hand already but could save it for a 19-nor cycle in the future. What do u guys think?

[hugovsilva]

In a 14 weeker I would add hcg for sure in the last week and the 2 weeks before pct. Proviron is fine, nolva is a must but you are missing an AI there. Aromasin would be the best option.

[wukillabee]

In a 14 weeker I would add hcg for sure in the last week and the 2 weeks before pct. Proviron is fine, nolva is a must but you are missing an AI there. Aromasin would be the best option.

I thought proviron was an ai? I can use l-dex for pct an ai. Aromasin in chem form or tabs is still expensive as hell. Can get a grip of nolva/clomid//proviron for the price of some aromasin alone. Isnt proviron an ai?

[MercyDog]

I recommend staying away from blended tests. If you know your source 100% then you don't need anadrol with blended test as they are on quickly.

[wukillabee]

I recommend staying away from blended tests. If you know your source 100% then you don't need anadrol with blended test as they are on quickly.

I know but gotta try a sust type at least once, i think everyone should try each aas once to see what works best. I know enth is great for me now i wanna see what else works good for me. All my gear will be legit. Not just using anadrol for the kickstart but also for its effects. I think thats even better that the test kicks in with the anadrol, not a bad thing at all.

[hugovsilva]

It is stated that proviron has the hability to block the aromatase enzyme, but its efficiency can't compare to a AI like letro, adex or aromasin. If I could not get aromasin I would run proviron/nolva/clomid.

[wukillabee]

It is stated that proviron has the hability to block the aromatase enzyme, but its efficiency can't compare to a AI like letro, adex or aromasin. If I could not get aromasin I would run proviron/nolva/clomid.

Hows this then:
proviron 40 days 25mg ed
nolva 30 days 20mg ed
clomid 30 days 50mg ed

I could get l-dex (arimidex). Which is better?
L-dex 30 days .5mg ed
proviron 40 days 25mg ed
nolva 30 days 20mg ed

Either one would cost me the same so depends on which one would be better for pct? Thanks. Ill also use hcg at 1000iu a week for 4 weeks before pct and 1 week into pct, i have 2 5000iu amps but dont think ima need all that for this cycle. Thanks again!

[wukillabee]

Hows this then:
proviron 40 days 25mg ed
nolva 30 days 20mg ed
clomid 30 days 50mg ed

I could get l-dex (arimidex). Which is better?
L-dex 30 days .5mg ed
proviron 40 days 25mg ed
nolva 30 days 20mg ed

Either one would cost me the same so depends on which one would be better for pct? Thanks. Ill also use hcg at 1000iu a week for 4 weeks before pct and 1 week into pct, i have 2 5000iu amps but dont think ima need all that for this cycle. Thanks again!

Bump for which pct is better for this cycle? Thanks!

[wukillabee]

Just tallied everything up and this is what i have to work with. Which would be a better bulking cycle for a 2nd cycle?
weeks 1-10 prop 400mg a week (100mg eod)
weeks 1-8 npp 400mg a week (100mg eod)
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50-75mg ed
OR
weeks 1-12 omnadren 750mg a week (1amp mon, 1amp wed, 1amp fri)
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50-75mg ed
I have a shitload of anadrol so i wanna use it for my next cycle. Which of the 2 cycles above would be best for bulking along with proper diet and training of course? Also, is the dosages for prop/npp ok or need to be higher? Thanks again everyone!

[wukillabee]

Well made my mind up and goin with option 2 so my cycle will be:
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50-75mg ed (depending how i react)
weeks 1-12 omnadren 750mg week
Now what pct would be best for this cycle:
option #1:
weeks 1-3 l-dex (arimidex) .5mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 10mg ed
weeks 1-4 clomid 50mg ed
OR
option #2:
weeks 1-3 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
Also, would it help or be good to add proviron to my pct? I could do 25mg for 40 days or 50mg for 20 days. I just think doin an ai 1 week short of the serms help if any rebound effect. What do u guys think?

[MercyDog]

try prop not blended

[wukillabee]

try prop not blended

I will but not for this cycle. I want to do a long 14 week cycle, dont want to pin ed or eod for 14 weeks with straight painful prop. Dont mind the omna cus its only 30mg prop or 60mg if u count the phynel too, dont think thats gonna hurt much 3 times a week.

[WARMachine]

I would recommend Aromasin over Proviron...

And you shouldnt use Adex in PCT as Adex and Nolva reduce each others effectivness.

I agree with Mercy Dog. I would stay away from blended tests. Stick to a single ester test.

Also why are you bumping the dose up to 750mgs a WEEK?

Heres the PCT i would do.

Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Aromasin - 25/25/25/25
Clomid - 25/25/25/25 (Clomid is optional if you have Aromasin.)

No Adex, or Letro for PCT EVER!

[wukillabee]

I would recommend Aromasin over Proviron...

And you shouldnt use Adex in PCT as Adex and Nolva reduce each others effectivness.

I agree with Mercy Dog. I would stay away from blended tests. Stick to a single ester test.

Also why are you bumping the dose up to 750mgs a WEEK?

Heres the PCT i would do.

Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Aromasin - 25/25/25/25
Clomid - 25/25/25/25 (Clomid is optional if you have Aromasin.)

No Adex, or Letro for PCT EVER!

Alright, sounds good. Ive done adex before in pct with good results, thats why i thought id stick with it. Ill try pheedno's pct that you laid out though for this cycle. Wanted to do 750mg since it seems easier that way with 3 amps a week and didt notice much from 500mg first cycle. Then again my first cycle was ugl and who knows how it was really dosed. You guys think less sides then if i just went with test enth say 625mg a week pharm grade? Also, wanted to do tbol for the last 4 weeks of cycle to help harden up leading to pct. SO weeks 11-14 and next day after tbol start pct. What dosages should i do the tbol at? Thanks!
Also, so no proviron at all during pct? Im saying id add it to my pct, not replace the aromasin for it. Say 25mg prov for 40 days of pct or 50mg for 20 days of pct? Thats what i was thinking if it would help with the recover and harden my gains as well.

[WARMachine]

It wouldnt hurt at all...

If you have it, throw it in...

And the tbol, something around 50mgs.

[wukillabee]

It wouldnt hurt at all...

If you have it, throw it in...

And the tbol, something around 50mgs.

Well its gonna cost me so im only gonna throw it in if its gonna make a difference. DOesnt sound like its gonna do much from what ur sayin so i guess ill save some cash and not get the proviron. Im stuck between this guys, please help!
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50-75mg ed
weeks 1-12 omnadren 750mg week (shoot 1amp mon, 1amp wed, 1amp fri)
weeks 11-14 tbol 50-60mg ed (depends on how it feels)
OR
weeks 1-4 anadrol 50-75mg ed
weeks 1-12 test enth 600mg week
weeks 11-14 tbol 50-60mg ed (depends on how it feels)
I did 500mg test enth my first cycle and wasnt impressed with how the test hit me. Didnt feel too much of been "On" but could be because it was a ugl and maybe underdosed. All this will be pharm so i know ill be good on these dosages. Thats why im thinking maybe up the test dose to round 600mg test enth or 750mg omnadren. What do you guys think? Stuck between the 2 cycles.

[wukillabee]

Ok, made my mind up for the last time guys. Ima get 2 20ml vials and 1 10ml vial and put all my sexy omnas in them for easy drawing. Then ima do .6ml eod for a total of 600mg a week if my math is correct. The orals im keeping the same. Pheedno's pct as well. Gonna run this 12 weeks with a log in january for all you lovers and haters of multi test blends to peep out.

[Cypionate6868]

Hey bro, i gotta be honest man, i like your cycle, BUT i think your test is too high for your second cycle and your age, I'm 25 and done about 10 cycles and my biggest regret is that i used way way way too high of doses on my previous cycles, (i.e.) 3 cycles ago, i ran Test Cyp. at 1000 mg/wk, yeah man, stupid, i've heard that the more Test you run the bigger and stronger you get (of course with more side effects, but i was willing to risk it)...but what amazed me was my last cycle i only did 400 mg/wk of Test and it actually made me stronger than when i took 1000 mg/wk (ha, go figure) and had ZERO side effects! Seriously bro, stay away from high doses, you can always bump it up if you have too, now on the other hand, i'm a big fan of frontloading (start off the first two wks at 650 mg and then wk 3 go to like 400 mg) and 14 weeks is about the longest you wana run Test, i would run it 12 if i were you!
Also, (IF YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING ELSE OUT OF WHAT I'M SAYING, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET RID OF THE ANADROL) that sh*t can fu*k you up bad bro, espcially your liver, its side effects are terrible and the liver can take years and years too regenerate!!! Go with Anavar, i always thought of Var as weak sh*t, but hell no, Var rocks for quality gains man! And lastly, i might think about doing deca if i were you, Deca & Test together are AWESOME!!! I wouldn't really run Var with those too though.....maybe D-Bol!! Anyways, i hope this helped and good luck!!!