First cycle (Sustanon 250)

[fixUPlookSHARP]

i've planned out my first cycle like this, any suggestions would be great. more guidance on my PCT would be even more greatly appreciated

anyways, on to the gear. i'm planning to take 250mgs/week of sustanon 250 for 8 weeks. but i've also read somewhere else that another option would be 250mgs/5days, still iffy on this so please comment if you will. as far as my PCT goes, i'm still trying to get my hands on clomid but can easily get some novladex. at the dose i'm taking and for the given duration, will novladex suffice by itself or should i really shoot for both? how do they compare separately?

so what i really want to know on top of all that is, is this a safe route to go? when should i expect to see noticeable gains (i imagine third week?) and how can i properly execute my PCT? first week high dose, then triangle downwards?

thanks in advanced

[sigman roid]

stats please
age
weight
height
bf

[fixUPlookSHARP]

stats please
age
weight
height
bf

21
140lbs (cause of boxing, i like to have my bouts in this division. i'm taking a couple of months off so i don't consider juicing any form of cheating. )
5'9
i imagine my bf to be pretty low because of my cardio regimen

[sigman roid]

bro at 21 your still a bit young for steroids,and at 5'9 and 140lbs its your diet that needs fixing you definatley dont need steroids yet,at your age you have loads of natural test floating around your body you can grow naturally

[fixUPlookSHARP]

bro at 21 your still a bit young for steroids,and at 5'9 and 140lbs its your diet that needs fixing you definatley dont need steroids yet,at your age you have loads of natural test floating around your body you can grow naturally

i appreciate your concern, and mind you i work to keep at 140lbs. i'm probably 155 if i don't train to keep my weight at a certain level.

i will be doing my cycle regardless of how many people tell me i shouldn't. i'm not a teenager anymore, i've got a grip on how i feel about my body and i've been physically active for my whole entire life. i know how to train, i know how to diet and i have as much discipline as any other athlete on this site. with that said, can anyone guide me in the right direction of properly executing this cycle. once again, thank you very much for your concern

[sigman roid]

i appreciate your concern, and mind you i work to keep at 140lbs. i'm probably 155 if i don't train to keep my weight at a certain level.

i will be doing my cycle regardless of how many people tell me i shouldn't. i'm not a teenager anymore, i've got a grip on how i feel about my body and i've been physically active for my whole entire life. i know how to train, i know how to diet and i have as much discipline as any other athlete on this site. with that said, can anyone guide me in the right direction of properly executing this cycle. once again, thank you very much for your concern

i hear you bro ,all i can give is my opion as i have done, what i would say is for a first cycle i would use a single ester like test e instead of a multi ester like sustanon

[T-MOS]

welcome to AR

do you have any desire to see 5'10" ??

what are your goals for this cycle if you don't want to get bigger ?

8 weeks is too short for using Sust. Sust needs to be shot EOD (every other day) not once a week

[fixUPlookSHARP]

welcome to AR

do you have any desire to see 5'10" ??

what are your goals for this cycle if you don't want to get bigger ?

8 weeks is too short for using Sust. Sust needs to be shot EOD (every other day) not once a week

i honestly don't think i'll grow much more. my mother's barely 5 feet and my father's average.

i didn't say my goal for this cycle wasn't to get bigger. i'm taking boxing off so i don't have to worry about keeping at 140. plus, i'd rather chill out..it's summer haha. i'd like to eventually fight at 160 so i imagine, without training i'm naturally 150-155lbs. meaning i'd like to hit about 175lbs, maintain the weight and then few months prior to returning to boxing, drop down to 160.

so right now, i just wanna focus on hitting 170lbs. as far as how much i should take. i keep getting too much conflicting info. i was going to do 250mgs/week then i was told i should do 500mgs/week then someone else told me, "no no! do 250mgs/week" then i heard somewhere else that i should 250mgs/5 days...so how should i do this, and why this dose for this duration of time.

[Hunter]

AAS does very little for combat sports, really. Almost all mma fighters who test positive lost the fight in which they failed the test. Boxers its really not that much different and if you were old enough and the weight was right I wouldnt advise test as the base of your cycle.

[WARMachine]

AAS does very little for combat sports, really. Almost all mma fighters who test positive lost the fight in which they failed the test. Boxers its really not that much different and if you were old enough and the weight was right I wouldnt advise test as the base of your cycle.

Especially with Cyp. Which has a LONG detection time.

But ill let TMos handle this one. :

[amcon]

lol ... nobody likes to here this stuff... but bro these guys know there stuff

[WARMachine]

Maybe you should research a cycle since you do not want to listen to us and have us help you reach your goals naturally.

And btw, those are VERY obtainable goals naturally.

[fixUPlookSHARP]

Maybe you should research a cycle since you do not want to listen to us and have us help you reach your goals naturally.

And btw, those are VERY obtainable goals naturally.

i want to do the juice, i'm making my decision. as far as cycle, i can only get my hands on sustanon 250 and like i said, too much conflicting info. again, thanks for your input. anything is greatly appreciated

[T-MOS]

ok, just cause your mom is short doesn't mean you have to. I am 5'11, my son's mother is only 5'8 and both sets of grandparents are NOT tall either, BUT my son sprouted when he was 18, to 6'3, so go figure.....

This really isn't something you want to do just for "summer" it doesn't work that way and your goals are ALL within your NATURAL reach, so what do you think the benefits are of using steroids to get there? It won't happen faster, and then you are just gonna want to lose what you gained to box back at 160.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense with the risks involved. and like I said, your growth plates do not fuse NATURALLY until the mid 20's and I don't know anyone what would be happy being ONLY 5'9 if there was a chance they may get a few more inches or a little wider in the shoulders
Women like TALLER men more then they like big muscular ones. but hey its your body, we are just trying to give you your options and RISKS here

you do what you want to it, but don't say we didn't warn you when you come back with issues from using too early.

Sust can be taken at either 250 (low but not bad for first cycle) or 500 (average beginner cycle, but more sides will be involved) but again it NEEDS TO BE SHOT EVERY OTHER DAY.....NOT once a week

[fixUPlookSHARP]

ok, just cause your mom is short doesn't mean you have to. I am 5'11, my son's mother is only 5'8 and both sets of grandparents are NOT tall either, BUT my son sprouted when he was 18, to 6'3, so go figure.....

This really isn't something you want to do just for "summer" it doesn't work that way and your goals are ALL within your NATURAL reach, so what do you think the benefits are of using steroids to get there? It won't happen faster, and then you are just gonna want to lose what you gained to box back at 160.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense with the risks involved. and like I said, your growth plates do not fuse NATURALLY until the mid 20's and I don't know anyone what would be happy being ONLY 5'9 if there was a chance they may get a few more inches or a little wider in the shoulders
Women like TALLER men more then they like big muscular ones. but hey its your body, we are just trying to give you your options and RISKS here

you do what you want to it, but don't say we didn't warn you when you come back with issues from using too early.

Sust can be taken at either 250 (low but not bad for first cycle) or 500 (average beginner cycle, but more sides will be involved) but again it NEEDS TO BE SHOT EVERY OTHER DAY.....NOT once a week

see, i've heard a lot about "eternal growth stunt" but i'm yet to find any source or report that backs that up..especially in a dose that i'll be dipping my feet into (less aromatization, less side effects) . many of the steroids you guys use (anavar, deca..) only to name a few, are actually used in some cases to induce growth in your plates. the science behind stunting growth plates due to steroids is elevated levels of estrogen, right? isn't that one of the reasons why you PCT with novladex/clomid/hcgs..etc?

once again, i thank you for only looking out for a complete stranger.

aside from this, what do you mean every other day if you're agreeing to 250mgs/week?

[Hunter]

see, i've heard a lot about "eternal growth stunt" but i'm yet to find any source or report that backs that up..especially in a dose that i'll be dipping my feet into (less aromatization, less side effects) . many of the steroids you guys use (anavar, deca..) only to name a few, are actually used in some cases to induce growth in your plates. the science behind stunting growth plates due to steroids is elevated levels of estrogen, right? isn't that one of the reasons why you PCT with novladex/clomid/hcgs..etc?

once again, i thank you for only looking out for a complete stranger.

aside from this, what do you mean every other day if you're agreeing to 250mgs/week?

Actually I believe its the pct compounds the stunt the growth plates. Also you realize you could do severe damage to hpta becouse its still developing?

[fixUPlookSHARP]

Actually I believe its the pct compounds the stunt the growth plates. Also you realize you could do severe damage to hpta becouse its still developing?

pct compounds consist of antiestrogen, which is why one would use PCT after a cycle..to prevent gyno and other sides. as far "do severe damage to HPTA" what do you mean? during my cycle my body will be running on androgens and then my HPTA will be supressed of natural test, which is where clomid comes into play. a natural test booster

[Hunter]

pct compounds consist of antiestrogen, which is why one would use PCT after a cycle..to prevent gyno and other sides. as far "do severe damage to HPTA" what do you mean? during my cycle my body will be running on androgens and then my HPTA will be supressed of natural test, which is where clomid comes into play. a natural test booster

As in your hpta may never recover full, i.e hrt. Pct correct is to jumpstart your hpta system again. Your not going to be supressed your gonna be shutdown as in your body will not be making testerone period. Shutting down your hpta system at such a young age means you may not every getting your natty levels back to where they were previously or you may end up on hrt early in life.

[WARMachine]

pct compounds consist of antiestrogen, no they do not.

which is why one would use pct after a cyclethat makes no sense. You do not know what youre talking about...to prevent gyno and other sides.no. Pct is used post cycle, to aid in the recovery of your hpta.

as far "do severe damage to hpta" what do you mean? your hpta might not fully recover! Ever! Thats what we mean!

during my cycle my body will be running on androgens and then my hpta will be supressed of natural test, which is where clomid comes into play. A natural test boosterclomid is not a natural test booster. And are you implying you want to run clomid during the cycle?

bolds

[T-MOS]

see, i've heard a lot about "eternal growth stunt" but i'm yet to find any source or report that backs that up..especially in a dose that i'll be dipping my feet into (less aromatization, less side effects) . many of the steroids you guys use (anavar, deca..) only to name a few, are actually used in some cases to induce growth in your plates. the science behind stunting growth plates due to steroids is elevated levels of estrogen, right? isn't that one of the reasons why you PCT with novladex/clomid/hcgs..etc?

once again, i thank you for only looking out for a complete stranger.

aside from this, what do you mean every other day if you're agreeing to 250mgs/week?

there are plenty of threads here on Growth Plates, and YES one cycle WILL shut down your HPTA, no matter what your dose, so premature fusion IS a very good possibility

you can search here for the threads, I am too tired to look for you

PCT is to help you recover your natural production of test and to prevent estrogen rebound. there is NO guarantee that you will fully recover your levels

when I say you have to inject EOD, thats what I mean. If you are doing a total of 250 mgs/week, then you will have to do the math and break down the ml to how much you need in each shot.

.3 of a ML will give you about 75 mgs/ of sust. take that times 3.5 and you get approx 262 mgs of sust per week

you will have to be able to break up the shots. OH, and since Sust has the PROP ester in it, it tends to be a MORE painful shot, so expect to have very sore muscles for about 3 days after EACH injection

[fixUPlookSHARP]

there are plenty of threads here on Growth Plates, and YES one cycle WILL shut down your HPTA, no matter what your dose, so premature fusion IS a very good possibility

you can search here for the threads, I am too tired to look for you

PCT is to help you recover your natural production of test and to prevent estrogen rebound. there is NO guarantee that you will fully recover your levels

when I say you have to inject EOD, thats what I mean. If you are doing a total of 250 mgs/week, then you will have to do the math and break down the ml to how much you need in each shot.

.3 of a ML will give you about 75 mgs/ of sust. take that times 3.5 and you get approx 262 mgs of sust per week

you will have to be able to break up the shots. OH, and since Sust has the PROP ester in it, it tends to be a MORE painful shot, so expect to have very sore muscles for about 3 days after EACH injection

and can you briefly break it down why i should split my shots like that as opposed to just doing 250mgs every monday of the week? will i get more out if it doing it this way? how and why?

[T-MOS]

and can you briefly break it down why i should split my shots like that as opposed to just doing 250mgs every monday of the week? will i get more out if it doing it this way? how and why?

well, see here, this is where YOUR research into what you are sticking into you body comes into play.

YOU need to know this stuff and should have researched it BEFORE hand

there are steroid profiles here and you should spend time there

sust has 4 different esters

esters are what the compound is suspended in and determine the release times of the compound

sust has short and long esters because it was initially invented for TRT use only, not bodybuilding

The KEY to doing cycles properly is to keep your blood plasma levels as stable as possible. not fluctuating all over the place.

so with sust releasing Testosterone at 4 DIFFERENT times, it is VERY hard to keep your blood levels stable so you need to go by the shortest ester which is the Prop ester

in order to keep the prop ester level, you need to inject it EOD

(its a good thing for you that I have Tren Insomnia and can't sleep)

[T-MOS]

here you go, educate BEFORE you medicate

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[WARMachine]

^ Good thread.


OP, good luck, youll need it.

-WAR

[Chopperbox]

First i agree with T, that 8 weeks is too low to see results, usually incurables take around 4-5 weeks to kick in and see the results... plus Sust for your first cycle.... oh well.

If you can get more test get it, nolva is good and clomid as well its a pretty safe cycle in my opinion. 250mg is a pretty low dosage and just clomid should be enough.

And like other said just diet alone will help you quite a bit!
Good luck.

[jbm]

Just don't use sustanon for 1st cycle...
still young to cycle

[fixUPlookSHARP]

seriously, if i'm talking out of my ass then i'm misinformed. aren't you guys in these forums to help? i don't get all of this attitude, sorry that i came off arrogant? i didn't intend on that. i'm trying to be as polite and as sincere as possible but all i'm getting is "PISS OFF"

[T-MOS]

seriously, if i'm talking out of my ass then i'm misinformed. aren't you guys in these forums to help? i don't get all of this attitude, sorry that i came off arrogant? i didn't intend on that. i'm trying to be as polite and as sincere as possible but all i'm getting is "PISS OFF"

NO ONE here is telling you to piss off !! you got some VERY knowledgeable guys here trying to help you.......

if we didn't want to help you , we would quit posting in your thread!!

[Nicotine]

seriously, if i'm talking out of my ass then i'm misinformed. aren't you guys in these forums to help? i don't get all of this attitude, sorry that i came off arrogant? i didn't intend on that. i'm trying to be as polite and as sincere as possible but all i'm getting is "PISS OFF"

you're getting attitude, because you

a) don't listen

and

b) don't listen

...simple as that.


and sust 250 EOD for 8 weeks?

as in, 250mg EOD? some week's you'd hit 1000mg (1g)...thats nuts for beginner....

figure what dose you wanna run in a week (lets say 500mg)

SPLIT THAT UP into even doses.

[Reed]

Nolva is a SERM buddy it blocks the estro from binding to the sites but will not decrease estro in the blood, estro will still circulate with no place to go

I don't know what you don't understand about a exogenous hormone shutting down your natural production. Your dose of 250mg will shut down your HPTA and you will need a PCT, thats why we use PCT to recover the HPTA. I just don't get it, what do you think PCT is for

[fixUPlookSHARP]

Nolva is a SERM buddy it blocks the estro from binding to the sites but will not decrease estro in the blood, estro will still circulate with no place to go

I don't know what you don't understand about a exogenous hormone shutting down your natural production. Your dose of 250mg will shut down your HPTA and you will need a PCT, thats why we use PCT to recover the HPTA. I just don't get it, what do you think PCT is for

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

[T-MOS]

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

Please re read this thread. I already told you that 8 weeks of SUST is NOT long enough

it has LONG ESTERS that will not even kick in for 4-6 weeks, so you will be stopping it right when its at its peak

If you want a short cycle , then you have to use SHORT esters like prop

prop by itself will be VERY painful

[fixUPlookSHARP]

Please re read this thread. I already told you that 8 weeks of SUST is NOT long enough

it has LONG ESTERS that will not even kick in for 4-6 weeks, so you will be stopping it right when its at its peak

If you want a short cycle , then you have to use SHORT esters like prop

prop by itself will be VERY painful

how long do you suggest then? again, thanks for everything..i appreciate it. do you have a brief PCT program?

[WARMachine]

how long do you suggest then? again, thanks for everything..i appreciate it. do you have a brief PCT program?

I already linked you to mine.

[WARMachine]

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

Clomid is NOT enough.

"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916

Read this. It is stickied for a reason. Make sure to go to post #4.

Also check out Swiftos PCT which is linked in my thread.

[Reed]

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

I know you are. nolva/clomid therapy would be a best bet.... are you a drug tested athlete however?? and if so when does your "season" so to say start back up

[WARMachine]

I did just noticed i misread something you posted.

PCT is used post cycle. IDK why i thought i read you said it was not used post cycle.

I apologize for that, i misread your statement. Sorry for that confusion.

[T-MOS]

long estered compounds should be run for 10-12 weeks minimum

[T-MOS]

so, despite all the advice against, you are gonna do this no matter what huh??

[WARMachine]

so, despite all the advice against, you are gonna do this no matter what huh??

You didnt see this coming?