starting cycle, only want straight answers

[theblueoak]

I am on this site because i want answers from people who have great experiance with steroids. Im aware of side effects and I just want answers to the qustions i will ask, no need to critisize.

first...

I want to take a 6 week cycle of test, Im not sure which test to take...
here are my goals and maybe you will be able to name one that will help me acheive them..

10 lbs of pure muslce w/ reduction of bodyfat

also, I am deadly afraid of gyno and i want testie shrinkage at a minimum, i heard hCG is good for helping the shrinkage, but when do i take it and how much, second, what is the best PCT to prevent gyno and to get regular test levels back as quick as possible

my stats currently:

~ 187 lbs
<10% bf... 6 pack going on 8
6 feet tall

thanks alot

[theblueoak]

I am on this site because i want answers from people who have great experiance with steroids. Im aware of side effects and I just want answers to the qustions i will ask, no need to critisize.

first...

I want to take a 6 week cycle of test, Im not sure which test to take...
here are my goals and maybe you will be able to name one that will help me acheive them..

10 lbs of pure muslce w/ reduction of bodyfat

also, I am deadly afraid of gyno and i want testie shrinkage at a minimum, i heard hCG is good for helping the shrinkage, but when do i take it and how much, second, what is the best PCT to prevent gyno and to get regular test levels back as quick as possible

my stats currently:

~ 187 lbs
<10% bf... 6 pack going on 8
6 feet tall

thanks alot

[Big]

age?
pct isn't to prevent gyno, and why only 6 weeks?

[theblueoak]

old enough, age isnt important

Im not looking to get huge, i just want extra size, thats why i only want 6 weeks.
I have a girlfriend and dont want her to realise that my testies are shunken so much thats what i want something that will hopfully stop them from shrinking too much and i also fighure on a 6 week cycle it will take less time to recover my natural test

[TractionIssues]

age isnt important?... oh boy...

[Big]

age isn't important?
my advice for someone 30 would be drastically different for someone 60.
good luck I'm done here.

[TractionIssues]

I hear this from newbies all the time, I don't want to get huge, just want a bit more size. Then steroids are not for you my friend. Steroids are for people who have attained their max potential, and want to get past their limits. If you just want small lean gains, what you need is a top notch diet and some dedication, and you will get great results. Go to the diet section and we will be more than happy to help you out.

[TractionIssues]

Also your profile says your bf% is 10-12%, and on here you say under 10%. You seem to have no idea. I think it would be best you get to know your body better, and get a good routine going, trying different things out, before trying to resort to steroids for an easy way out.

[theblueoak]

i made my profile months ago and just logged on today for the first time in a while. I am under 25 lets put it that way. i dont say my age because i know what i will hear cause i have already heard it. I have a great diet and excersie program. all i wanted was an asnwer to my question if you cant giv eit to me then i will wait for osmeone else

[theblueoak]

i also know steroids can stunt growth plates, i know it can slow or stop natural production of test. I am still growing and i am looking to maximise my potential, but for only a short time.

All i want is the answer to the questions, not to be bashed

[Big]

i also know steroids can stunt growth plates, i know it can slow or stop natural production of test. I am still growing and i am looking to maximise my potential, but for only a short time.

All i want is the answer to the questions, not to be bashed

sorry, we tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

[TractionIssues]

i also know steroids can stunt growth plates, i know it can slow or stop natural production of test. I am still growing and i am looking to maximise my potential, but for only a short time.

All i want is the answer to the questions, not to be bashed

If you are still growing why do you want steroids? I don't get it... It's not because your see IFBB pro's big as they are that you will get that big off one cycle. The cycle will do you so much more harm than good, esspecially at your age.

[Big]

i made my profile months ago and just logged on today for the first time in a while. I am under 25 lets put it that way. i dont say my age because i know what i will hear cause i have already heard it. I have a great diet and excersie program. all i wanted was an asnwer to my question if you cant giv eit to me then i will wait for osmeone else

ok, you're too young.

[HIITB$]

6 weeks is a waste of time and money and your gf wont notice the shrinkage when you're beatn it up all night long cause you have the test levels of a young bull....just sayin

[Loaded6161]

6 weeks is a waste of time and money and your gf wont notice the shrinkage when you're beatn it up all night long cause you have the test levels of a young bull....just sayin

lol what

[T-MOS]

i made my profile months ago and just logged on today for the first time in a while. I am under 25 lets put it that way. i dont say my age because i know what i will hear cause i have already heard it. I have a great diet and excersie program. all i wanted was an asnwer to my question if you cant giv eit to me then i will wait for osmeone else

WHY is it so freaking hard for you KIDS to understand that we are here to HELP you do things that will save your HEALTH for the REST OF YOUR LIFE, not for small EGO gains you will make now???????????

YOUR GROWTH PLATES have NOT FUSED YET !!!!!!!!!!!!!

do you have ANY understanding of what that means??

I could care less if you use steroids or not , I LOVE STEROIDS, but I ALSO respect them, and dont' take what they do to my body's chemistry LIGHTLY

I am NOT here to STOP you from using steroids. But to stop you from SCREWING UP YOUR ONE AND ONLY BODY

its your choice........ I don't have to live with what you do to it

[CHAP]

i made my profile months ago and just logged on today for the first time in a while. I am under 25 lets put it that way. i dont say my age because i know what i will hear cause i have already heard it. I have a great diet and excersie program. all i wanted was an asnwer to my question if you cant giv eit to me then i will wait for osmeone else

How old are !!

Be a man and say your age.

Your gonna do what your gonna do.

At leat let people know what there dealing with some will help and some will not.
And some will straight ride your a$$.

But its not fair to ask us Q's and us awnser but when we ask you ... Nothin

[theblueoak]

Im 18, 19 shortly

Say what you will

i asked the questions in the beginning and knidly asked for the answers without being bashed

i know, 19, still growing and naturally high test levels, but i asked the question and that was it

[T-MOS]

someone whose NATURAL levels of hormones are at their peak would want to do things MUCH differently then someone whose hormone levels are on the decline

not to mention GROWTH PLATES...

so, you not wanting to give your True age, tells us you are either too young or too IMMATURE to be using chemicals that WILL alter your body's chemistry for the REST OF YOUR LIFE

good luck,

[amcon]

well add in how old you are that will help with advise

as for criticize you just understand we filter people out by seeing how thick their skin is so get used to it... its not like we can see you or know you so dont stress, just get ready for it if you deserve it...

here are questions to study before you even get an answer

test and a 6 week cycle ... why???? find out how cycles of aas work and why they are 12 weeks.

study how to work a good pct... that will help with keeping the gains you get

studdy gyno... and how to prevent it, what to do and have on hand if it starts

as for ball shrinkage... come on really do you really care how big your balls are??? search hcg to make sure that is what you are looking for

[CHAP]

You have to read more. You at least need to run for 10 weeks.

[Big]

threads merged, no reason to keep posting the same thing.

[theblueoak]

I understand that, but its also my choice on weather ot take it or not.
If you wont asnwer me then no need ot keep posting in here, thanks for your conserns though

[jbm]

If you won't give all the exact info needed, you won't get the right advice!

[jbm]

wrong info will get wrong advice.

[Twist]

DO you like your current height?

[CHAP]

Good luck . I think you have gotten some good info on tthis thread and its yours. Do what you want to .

[TractionIssues]

Please do us all a favour, stay on this board, you have alot to learn here. I am not saying steroids are not for you, I am just saying you need to pass through a couple of stages before you start. Please visit the diet section and get something truly top notch, then get your workout training perfecting to your goals, and then add in a couple of supplements, and then tell us how your progress is going. If your doing good, maybe in 2-3 years you might be ready for a first cycle of test. But before you jump on the "miracle wagon", do what works the best, esspecially with all the testosterone in your body right now, you will grow FAST. Much faster than a kid your age who takes roids but knows nothing about diet and training. We are all here to help you GROW!

[T-MOS]

blueoak, I will try to help you and reason with you , IF you are mature enough to talk to me like an adult, and lets see what we can agree on, so you at least go about whatever you are going to do SAFELY for your FUTURE HEALTH...

keep in mind 18-19 is NOTHING when you think about living to be 80

there is JUST so much MORE to this than TAKING a pill or a shot

[jbm]

show us your complete diet...

[Free Will]

listen when it comes to this site you came here for a reason ....you are asking a question that you dont want to hear the answers for ....listen man im all for you getting big and looking good but when you ask a question about using steroids you are asking about a drug ...and with all drugs they come with side effects and they are not to be taken litely ....yes yes yes you have heard it all before ..you are to young to use , you will fuse your growth plates ...yada yada yada ...these guys arnt saying this so they can see there own writing up on the computer , they are trying to help ....seriously a shitload of chicken breast , eggs , fish , red meat , protien and other supps will get you top where you want to be ....and as far as i know here cos im only new myself the person you want to listen to here the most is T-Mos so listen to his advice ....peace

[theblueoak]

my diet is great
and i found what works for me in getting very cut without very much cardio

its something like this: before you read it, it may not work for you but i know for a fact it works for me so before you say something take in consideration what works for some doesnt always work for others>...

(just an example) the times vary and so do the meals

8:00.... about 75 high quality carbs mixed with a little simple carb to re-boost from my 8 hr sleep, a rough estimate, around 20-30g protein around 10g fat or less

11:30.... 8-10oz chicken + apple or some other fruit some days just the chicken

2:30/ 3:00... fish, chicken, steak, 6-10oz, and about 10 carbs

4:45 1 scoop whey, 20g protein 0 fat 0 carb

5:00 gym

6:15/6:30 1 1/2 - 2 scoops whey protein + banana, rasins or some other fruit

7:00/7:15 some type of meet maybe some vegitables, keeping cabs low

9:00/10:00ish another scoop protein, or cottage cheese, again high protein low carb

and every few days i will increase my carbs

[theblueoak]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

[TractionIssues]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

As soon as you take your first shot, your giving a big punch in the face to your HTPA. Most steroids will completely shut down your system as soon as the drug enters your body.

[T-MOS]

damn it t-mos

you make alot of sence to me and it makes me sad because i reallt wanted to take them

if i took a 6 week cycle what are the chances that my test would slow down permanently after my cycle and pct

Listen, IF i thought it was the best thing for you at this time, I would be the first one outlineing your cycle........... I am HERE doing this for FREE because I care, and I dont' want you to become another statistic for the media to say just how bad steroids are..............

I know the desire to be bigger.....but your POTENTIAL is SO GREAT right now IF you just change a few things in your diet and training.... steroids are NOT magic.... GOD i wish they were........ I LIVE AND BREATHE by the clock... and when its time to eat, what to eat, when to take a shot, how much...... its NOT easy

a 6 week cycle is really NO GOOD for a beginner as it would require EVERYDAY SHOTS that will be painful.....

steroids are held in suspension by what are called ESTERS, and the esters determine how fast or slow the steroid is released into the blood stream

so , to do a six week cycle, you would need a FAST ester, which would mean Everyday SHOTS, that will be painful for 3 days in each site you shoot....


The exogenous hormone you shoot WILL shut down your natural production of testosterone, it WILL convert to the FEMALE hormone ESTROGEN which can produce what we call BITCH TITS.......
You will HAVE to take several compounds AFTER you are done with the injections in HOPES to restart your Natural production and bring back your estrogen levels to what would be normal for a man your age..........and there is NO guarantee that your natural levels of hormones will return !!!!

see, its NOT as simple as popping a pill or taking a shot.......... if it was, hey, go for it........ I would be the first to tell you how to inject !!!!

BUT, i will also be the first to tell you that YOUR HEALTH needs to come first , as you are MORE than just your muscles. you will one day be provider for your FAMILY !!!!

that is what keeps me doing this for FREE !!!! the man you are NOW, is NOT that man you will be 10 years from now, BUT what you do to your body NOW will effect that Man you are to become...............

Your diet is NOT the greatest, and i KNOW for a fact our diet gurus can make it better for you if you are willing to listen........ you will GROW LIKE A WEED

agian, its YOUR choice, what kind of man you want to be
I didnt' touch a steroid til I was 36

[Free Will]

damn man JUST DONT DO IT !!!!

[Loaded6161]

You did say that you only wanted to do 6 weeks of test and if im not mistaken it takes 5-6 weeks to see results on strait test anyway...so essentially you wouldnt even see the gains your looking for

[theblueoak]

then that sucks,
again thats why i was asking

[theblueoak]

i posted my diet, if no one will answer my original question then how do i gain 10 lb of pure muscle in shortest time possible, i know that is a tough q cause everyone is different but ill take what i get from everyone and decide whats best in the advice given

[theblueoak]

i wont take them, youve convinced me

thanks alot, i knew the whole time it could be bad but i didnt want ot listen

here is my diet again any tips on gaining more size, without fat



my diet is great
and i found what works for me in getting very cut without very much cardio

its something like this: before you read it, it may not work for you but i know for a fact it works for me so before you say something take in consideration what works for some doesnt always work for others>...

(just an example) the times vary and so do the meals

8:00.... about 75 high quality carbs mixed with a little simple carb to re-boost from my 8 hr sleep, a rough estimate, around 20-30g protein around 10g fat or less

11:30.... 8-10oz chicken + apple or some other fruit some days just the chicken

2:30/ 3:00... fish, chicken, steak, 6-10oz, and about 10 carbs

4:45 1 scoop whey, 20g protein 0 fat 0 carb

5:00 gym

6:15/6:30 1 1/2 - 2 scoops whey protein + banana, rasins or some other fruit

7:00/7:15 some type of meet maybe some vegitables, keeping cabs low

9:00/10:00ish another scoop protein, or cottage cheese, again high protein low carb

and every few days i will increase my carbs