First Var Cycle..Need Some Help Please

[jojo1370]

OK I have a few questions and hopefully you guys can help. First let me explain my situation...

I am 40, 5'10, 190 and have not worked out in several years. I was at one point in very good shape. Work, life etc got in the way but now...finally I have a home and built a little gym that I always wanted.

I started doing var last week. Im a bit of a nut case and worry about everything ( when you hit 40 you will too ; ) so I always do everything very slow and easy. I am doing 3-5 var a day and working out about 4-5 times a week.

This may sound stupid but in 1 week I feel different. Is that even possible?

What do you think I will see and how long before I see a big change if any?

How long should I stay on this? How long off?

I think thats a good start I will have more stupid questions shortly ; )

Thanks
Jojo

[Big]

how many mg per day of var are you doing? 3-5 doesn't tell us much, and I would pick a dosage and stick with it.

[jojo1370]

Sorry that would be 30-50

[HawaiianPride.]

Sorry that would be 30-50

What?

[Big]

What?

yeah that baffled me as well

[jojo1370]

I am taking 30-50mgs a day right now...not 30-50 pills

[Big]

there are a couple good threads on var only cycles, let me have a look...

[Big]

here is one
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=403234

[HawaiianPride.]

As Big already stated above, stick with one dose.

[428scj]

PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again.

The therapy will depend on the type of cycle you ran. The folks in this thread are saying you need to use Clomid at the recommended daily doses for the alloted period of time in order to recover correctly.

You need to make sure you have everything on hand BEFORE you start your cycle. This means you need to research what you are going to use for PCT and what you might need for liver support, ect. on cycle. You will be much happier you did.

I just finished a Var/Tbol cycle and found I needed to drink an awful lot of water a day to keep the back pumps and aches away. You will find a gallon of water a day minimum is probably what you will need.

Anyways, there are threads here on this site about proper PCT. You need to do some reading. Good luck.

[TKO Performance]

Wow, sort of jumped into this with both feet huh? PCT should be done for three weeks and start immediately after you finish up your cycle. Clomid for three weeks at 50mg/day, or you could use Nolva.

Also, you need to be doing some liver support while on any oral. Liv52, milk thistle, etc. Anavar is milder than other orals, but it is still liver toxic.

My guess is that increased libido, again, is the result of a boost in your test level. Enjoy!

[jojo1370]

Thank you everyone again for your help and answers to my dumb questions. I have learned so much on this board in a few weeks.

Update..

I have been taking 40mg of var a day now for 3 weeks and besides for 1-2 days I feel great. My body is much stronger and at 40 I dont think I felt this good in 20 years.

Im working out 4-5 days a week but even on days off doing something cardio wise

Im going to do a 6 or 8 week cycle...but then how much time do I take off before I begin again?

[TKO Performance]

At least cycle length+PCT time off.

Post back with results. I'd love to know how you did.

[jojo1370]

So if I do 6 weeks of var I then take off for 6 weeks?

[HawaiianPride.]

6 weeks off + the duration of your PCT. Then wait a month and get blood work done. Then you can cycle again.

[jojo1370]

Should my PCT be 6 weeks?

[HawaiianPride.]

No. 4 weeks is the common protocol. Hit the educational threads bro.

[jojo1370]

Thank you Hawaiian...I did by the way if you could point that out to me anywhere I would appreciate it. I couldnt find it

[HawaiianPride.]

If this is a Var only cycle were talking here, Nolva should be enough. 40/40/20/20. Don't forget blood work.

[Necrosaro]

I would say clomid not nolva ran at 100mgs for the first week then 50mgs for an extra 2 weeks

[HawaiianPride.]

I would say clomid not nolva ran at 100mgs for the first week then 50mgs for an extra 2 weeks

Lets not confuse him. Either or will work. Keep in mind that this 17aa is on the mild side. So both SERMs on a standalone level should suffice.

[jojo1370]

Hawaiin..its not hard to confuse me lol

TKO suggested Milk thistle. Can I do that instead? From what I have read ( been doing alot of that ) Var is not very toxic on the liver

[HawaiianPride.]

It's still hepatoxic. Whether it's mild or not you will need to run a product designed to assist your liver. And what do you mean take Milk Thistle instead? Are we referring to PCT or liver protectant here?

[jojo1370]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

[HawaiianPride.]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

Just run the Nolva as I outlined earlier.

[Big]

Ut oh...confusion!

I thought, from reading this, that taking something like Milk Thistle to help your liver was considered PCT as 428scj stated..

"PCT is 'post cycle therapy' and involves getting your body to adjust to the lack of steroids in your system when your cycle is over and start performing normally again."

milk thistle is not pct, and I see no where in 428scj's posts that would suggest it is.

[junkiescumbag]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

[jojo1370]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

Dude seriously chill out. If your dumb enough to get pissed off on a Friday night by reading stupid questions on a forum maybe you should stop taking steroids and go have a drink!

[HawaiianPride.]

**** sake its making me pissed off reading this idiot

jojo

run nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
you can run milk thistle to protect your liver
they are two completely different things.

Who are you referring to?

[jojo1370]

Im referring to junkiescumbag

[428scj]

Thanks Big. I thought I might have made a mistake but I don't see it either.

JoJo, Milk Thistle is something that is recommended to help protect the liver when using Anavar and some other orals. It is not the only thing I used. I also used a liver supplement very similar to Liv52 and Fish Oil Capsules for the Cholesterol. I took some other vitamins as well (Vitamin E, Vitamin C, ect.).

[TKO Performance]

100mg of Clomid followed by 50mg is excessive. Guys report emotional problems on this much Clomid. Take 50mg/day for three weeks and you should be fine (provided you were on 40-50mg/day of Anavar). If you were on like 80-100mg/day of Anavar I would suggest using Nolva instead, so you can keep the dose lower. Using Nolva after 80-100mg/day of Anavar you should probably go with the 40/40/20/20 recommended. The amount of Anavar used during your cycle will dictate your PCT, as it will determine how suppressed your natural test is.

I will defer to HP in regards to time between cycles. As usual he is right on, and knows more than I do.