Muscles?...HGH vs TEST...difference?

[SlimmerMe]

What is the difference with how HGH effects muscles compared to Testosterone? Does one build or bulk more....or create... more muscles? Any thoughts?

[bodybuilder]

Good question Ive had the same question in my head for some time now.

[carbo]

GH - Hyperplasia, Test - Hypertrophy

[gymnerd]

^^^ Thats basicly it, test will make ur musles bigger. HGH will make you grow new muscle tissue.
GH is a slow process tho, dont expect instant satisfaction like with test.

EDIT: I know alot of the bigger BB use big doses of hgh because it will allow you to get bigger and leaner at the same time if you know what ur doin, obviously not an easy thing to do when ur lookin to be low single digit BF.

[bdzemske]

^^^wanted to know the same

thanks for clearing that up

[sully169]

hgh at a high does will do both grow new muscle tissue and make your current tissues bigger but the sides at so high of a dose make it tough to run for long and get the best result from ... i am running it at 3 ius daily and have carpal tunnel occasionally ... so i could image people who are using 20 ius daily ... you do get used to it ... but i have heard of people not being able to grasp a barbell cause of the pain ... you gotta see how you react

[SlimmerMe]

so.....test will make muscles bigger and hgh will grow more muscle tissue.....is this basically the difference?

so...if someone wanted to get bigger it seems test is preferable to hgh? would this be a correct assumption?

[gymnerd]

They will both make you bigger but they are apples and oranges and not compairable. HGH will bring you past ur limit when nothing else will. Its all about slow steady gains over time with hgh, but the best part is it will keep you lean while you gain, but test will give you quicker gains in the short term.

Think of it like this, you only have so much muscle tissue right? It can only grow to a certain point then thats it. Now with gh you can add to that muscle tissue and grow even more. Im not sure what ur goals are but maybe save the gh till uv hit a wall with the test. Be carefull btw test can give females some nasty sides.

[brutusthebull]

That sounds right to me. And the price differance is huge. If you took 500mg test a week for 10 to 12 weeks and work hard youll see some good results for less than 200 bucks.The only big advantage I've heard of, and not verified is you keep your gains with the HGH, is this true ? I don't know, but the stuff is exspensive.

[ramacher]

obviously as people grow old the muscle cells will decrease in size without gh. but if you take gh for longer cycles to grow new muscles, those muscle cells cannot go away then correct as you progress with age?

[gymnerd]

HGH really has nothing t do with age for BB purposes. If y6ou take big doses of HGH you will get bigger and leaner no matter what age you are.

HGH has no more to do with age than test does its used the same. TRT is for anti aging yet we still use it to cycle before we need trt right?? Well same for HGH you think national level BB dont use it cause its only good after a certain age? I'm not directing at you cause ur just asking but it gets said alot on the boards and its ridiculous. Another bit of bad info thats spread around like its fact.

[SlimmerMe]

THANKS.....everyone!

[SlimmerMe]

^^^^ so if one does not want to get bigger, would it be suggested to stay off both hgh and/or test? because it sounds to me that either one will make someone bigger regardless....would this be a correct assumption?

[gymnerd]

^^^^ so if one does not want to get bigger, would it be suggested to stay off both hgh and/or test? because it sounds to me that either one will make someone bigger regardless....would this be a correct assumption?

Well, what exactly are your goals?? GH in small doses will help keep you lean and not add much mass at higher doses it will. If you dont want size avoid test at all costs, it will not only make you bigger, hairier, it will also bloat you to all hell most likely.

Unless you are a serious BB or powerlifter I see no good reason for you to ever use test and really any steroid but thats you choice. Like I say it depends completely on your goals \and how much you are willing to risk to get them.

[SlimmerMe]

Well, what exactly are your goals?? GH in small doses will help keep you lean and not add much mass at higher doses it will. If you dont want size avoid test at all costs, it will not only make you bigger, hairier, it will also bloat you to all hell most likely.

Unless you are a serious BB or powerlifter I see no good reason for you to ever use test and really any steroid but thats you choice. Like I say it depends completely on your goals \and how much you are willing to risk to get them.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for clarifying this! I have been on HGH and test for 6 months now...( compounded ED) and so this helps to explain why in the heck I feel like I could become a BB. I thought the test would help lean and the hgh would help reduce the BF...but I have been getting BIGGER and STRONGER when I wanted to get LEANER and SMALLER.....at least I found out now before it goes on too much longer...THANKS!!!!

[gymnerd]

LOL no problem.

[SlimmerMe]

LOL no problem.

wish I were laughing!!! LOL! any idea if the test is permanent? as far as staying like this? I had a feeling it was the test so I stopped taking it a couple of weeks ago....so wondering if it will COME out of my system and , if so, how long should it take?

[Hazard]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for clarifying this! I have been on HGH and test for 6 months now...( compounded ED) and so this helps to explain why in the heck I feel like I could become a BB. I thought the test would help lean and the hgh would help reduce the BF...but I have been getting BIGGER and STRONGER when I wanted to get LEANER and SMALLER.....at least I found out now before it goes on too much longer...THANKS!!!!

are you using the test gel?

My mother was on HGH and test gel along with armour thyroid.....

If you were prescribed test and hgh from a doc - then he wont be putting you on an ammount thats going to turn you into a bodybuilder. Women need HRT too and if you were prescribed it - I would stick with it.

~Haz~

[SlimmerMe]

are you using the test gel?

My mother was on HGH and test gel along with armour thyroid.....

If you were prescribed test and hgh from a doc - then he wont be putting you on an ammount thats going to turn you into a bodybuilder. Women need HRT too and if you were prescribed it - I would stick with it.

~Haz~

I have been prescribed BHRT with the HGH and Armour but.....am now thinking I was taking way too much for me...especially after reading "Natural Superwoman" by Uzzi Reiss who suggests dosing A LOT LOWER than what I have been doing....SO...I took myself off the BHRT just a couple weeks ago to see how it plays out....thanks!

[DCannon]

It takes a long time, at high doses for hgh to make you much bigger. It helps lean you out more than anything. I've noticed with hgh my muscles look harder.

[dec11]

from what ive been told, hgh wont make you bigger unless you are on using test in one way or another. hgh will lean you out on its own as well as the other health benefits, ive been told this by someone who has used hgh only for 2yrs

[bodybuilder]

So how long are hgh cycles typically run for. does it also need pct?

[SlimmerMe]

So how long are hgh cycles typically run for. does it also need pct?

hgh is usually for at least 6 months....I am not aware of it needing pct....don't think it does

[Dfour]

hgh is usually for at least 6 months....I am not aware of it needing pct....don't think it does

yes 5+ months and no PCT , I believe many stay on GH all year long with no sides

[Jean Claude]

I took this stuff called "Sytropin" for like 2 months. They say you need 3 months to see the effects fully (as far as muscle building goes). I say that I got leaner while I was on it. It made my muscles feel harder. I didn't notice any increases in size....

However, I am aware that there is no such thing as HGH in pill or under-tongue spray format. The only real HGH there is, is in injectable form. Sytropin has what they call a "HGH complex" which what I'm thinking is a bunch of amino acids. They act as a precursor to muscle development.

Sorry guys, I haven't done any real HGH to tell you more. I'll say this though. The spray is acidic in taste (much like lemon juice) and when you spray it under the tongue it causes your salivary glands to produce more saliva... hence you cannot hold it under your tongue as suggested. So it makes me wonder how much of these supplements we take as bodybuilders are a bunch of nonsense.

[bodybuilder]

So I'm guessing it wont shut you down as test would.

[SlimmerMe]

So I'm guessing it wont shut you down as test would.

it can potentially lower your own natural growth hormone production especially if too young and messing with the endocrine system and/or...taking it at bedtime when one's natural growth pulse is producing thus....potentially relying on the hgh and lowering natural production....but some do not adhere to this theory...but many here do, I think

[bodybuilder]

cool and is it administered daily, weekly. Also what do the doses look like for lets say a would be first time user.

[SlimmerMe]

ideally ED
but if cost is a factor then 5 days on..2 off
Early AM dosing preferred before eating (wait hour)
doses start around 2 units..and then go up slowly from there to avoid sides

[bodybuilder]

2 units to start so where would it cap off at. How any units?

[SlimmerMe]

2 units to start so where would it cap off at. How any units?

depends..on..goals...mass?..or..lean? my..keys...are...sticking!
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[dec11]

2 units to start so where would it cap off at. How any units?

i did 1iu for three days, 1.5iu for three days and now at 2iu for past three days, going up 1/2 iu increments every three days till i reach 3.5iu. this is just my personal method, havent had any bad sides. take ED and i've been advised to stay on rather than 5 on 2 off. doesnt shut you down mate and as for how much you eventually shoot pd, its up to you, ive a friend on 10iu's pd for example, costly!!!!

[bodybuilder]

Wow 10iu i just looked the stuff up your buddy must have money to burn lol.

[dec11]

Wow 10iu i just looked the stuff up your buddy must have money to burn lol.

well i think selling it helps his funding lol, he tells me of another guy who's shooting 15iu pd. i can only dream of 10iu a day

[bodybuilder]

I can see stuff if kina pricey. So how is your mood threw-out the day. I mean is it a feel good like say test.

[dec11]

I can see stuff if kina pricey. So how is your mood threw-out the day. I mean is it a feel good like say test.

well im early days mate, but im sleeping alot better and needing less sleep. my gfriend and her brother have been on around 4mths now and they say its like a new lease of life

[SlimmerMe]

I can see stuff if kina pricey. So how is your mood threw-out the day. I mean is it a feel good like say test.

GREAT SENSE OF WELL BEING! FABULOUS SLEEP! ....when you are ready to start, why not start a thread on the hgh forum so you can post your stats and goals and get very specific help as to your personal dosage

[lovbyts]

I have been thinking about starring up the HGH again. My doctor wanted me to start using 2iu a day and I would like to do 3iu 5 on, 2 off but I cant without getting another job. $$$$

[Dfour]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=265314

lots of info

[SlimmerMe]

okay....now...back to my OP....what do you think the difference is with muscles as far as HGH vs Test? compare and contrast please...