8 week test prop for first cycle?

[brolic272]

what's up guys first post here. not looking to do my first cycle for another year or two, just trying to get more research under my belt. im gonna get my T levels checked soon but im still putting on muscle very well so im guessing they're fine. i've read all the stickies which were more than helpful and tons of forum posts. i was wondering if this would be a good starting cycle from the info i've gathered so far.

age:22
weight: 195
height:5'11
training experience: 5 years
bf-13%

weeks 1-8 test prop 100mg eod
weeks 3-8 HCG 250iu 2x ew
weeks 1-8 arimidex .25-.5mg eod

PCT: clomid 100/100/50/50
tamox 40/40/20/20

i have read that test prop causes less sides like gyno and/or bloating and keeps blood levels more consistent. others say it's a myth. but at least i can stop the cycle on the short ester if something goes wrong.

i also wanted to know if i should start HCG from week 1, but i figured the cycle is so mild (for aas) i wouldnt need as much. this cycle is primarily to gauge how my body responds to test when i do eventually start up in a couple years.

also debating on whether to run aromasin as an AI since the mods here seem to prefer it.

is this a good first cycle?

[Ernst]

Your research is coming along quite well. Glad to see someone takes the time to educate themselves and prepare. You also seem to be building a very good base. Do you have particular goals for the future in regards to your training, like shows? Or did you just want to be big?

How is I see some of you guys with years of training at such a young age? Geez, when I was 17 I was all about being wasted and getting girls... :P

I would just stick some hcg in the shoot with the test eod when the time comes. It's fine to mix and shoot them together. I've used adex and aromasin, both with success. I've used aromasin for a while now simply because it works out to be cheaper for me. Whatever you choose have enough on hand to spare. I'd also just keep the AI handy until you think you need it. Some guys just don't need it as much. I like to keep my pct doses lower, just 50/2o through.


So while you are waiting and researching, how is your diet and training program looking?

[brolic272]

Your research is coming along quite well. Glad to see someone takes the time to educate themselves and prepare. You also seem to be building a very good base. Do you have particular goals for the future in regards to your training, like shows? Or did you just want to be big?

How is I see some of you guys with years of training at such a young age? Geez, when I was 17 I was all about being wasted and getting girls... :P

I would just stick some hcg in the shoot with the test eod when the time comes. It's fine to mix and shoot them together. I've used adex and aromasin, both with success. I've used aromasin for a while now simply because it works out to be cheaper for me. Whatever you choose have enough on hand to spare. I'd also just keep the AI handy until you think you need it. Some guys just don't need it as much. I like to keep my pct doses lower, just 50/2o through.


So while you are waiting and researching, how is your diet and training program looking?

well in high school i wrestled all year round constantly from 9th to 12th grade so lifting played a huge part (mostly in the summer so i could cut weight in the winter). once i graduated i didnt have time to wrestle at my D1 college so i filled the void with lifting full time haha. so far so good.

my goals are just to see how far i can go in building that ideal physique. im not trying to compete or anything, just trying to fulfill personal goals. since i dont have a lot of trouble putting on muscle naturally, it wouldnt make sense to hurt a good thing so to the 2nd person who replied (arsowat), if you read my post you'd know i said im gonna wait 1-3 years before i start so i'd be 23-25. but that's only if i hit a plateau anyway so probably not that soon either way. right now i have the money and a ready source and was highly contemplating it but i didnt wanna be "that guy" so it is what it is. i won the states without gear, i can add more muscle without it too. (for now)

i chose test prop because of less sides and i hear pinning prop ED as opposed to EOD controls blood levels more consistently. although i dont know if i could pin that much even though needles dont bother me. and for an 8 week cycle, short esters make more sense. im not taking an oral to kickstart the cycle so test-e didnt seem ideal. another thing i hear mixed reviews on is whether or not to run tamox at 10 mg a day throughout the cycle with the AI. this is where having OCD pays off because i wont go through with this until i know every little tiny detail and what to do in whatever scenario when/if i do start.

i gotta go to work right now but i'll be back to post my diet and training. thanks for the advice!

[arsowat]

in before shitstorm about you being 'too young'

[Ernst]

in before shitstorm about you being 'too young'

When someone conducts themselves as a responsible adult I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them as one. You might take notes on that. I saw your thread.

[carp123]

cycle looks fine if you dont mind pinning every other day ,imo there is no need for the adex on cycle unless you see/feel gyno problems ..

[lex57]

cycle looks fine if you dont mind pinning every other day ,imo there is no need for the adex on cycle unless you see/feel gyno problems ..

i agree with this 100%, thats what i was gonna post. also if you get pain you can dilute with sterile grapeseed oil. my test p i get is 100mg/ml and is completely painless

[Johnyonemove]

You'll be the luckiest guy in the world if your not in excrutiating pain from the shots because of the ester they'll disolve much more rapid than the Test E forcing ur muscles to deal with a lot at once. Test E can be painful for a first cycle and I've heard from a few vets to never pin a muscle with prop that hasnt been pinned before with a longer ester. Plus its the boards reccomendation that you wait a few years you possibly run some risks of doing permanent damage to your body... Just some food for thought. Hope you take care of your body though!

[brolic272]

You'll be the luckiest guy in the world if your not in excrutiating pain from the shots because of the ester they'll disolve much more rapid than the Test E forcing ur muscles to deal with a lot at once. Test E can be painful for a first cycle and I've heard from a few vets to never pin a muscle with prop that hasnt been pinned before with a longer ester. Plus its the boards reccomendation that you wait a few years you possibly run some risks of doing permanent damage to your body... Just some food for thought. Hope you take care of your body though!

thanks Johnyonemove. and yes i will wait a few years.

taking your advice into consideration, if i were to go with test e instead of test prop i'd have to run the test e for 12 weeks or 10 at least since the longer ester means i wont be kicking into full gear (no pun) around week 5-6. if i were to run an 8 week cycle of test e, i'd be done with the cycle not much longer after the test kicked in. plus if i got bad sides i couldnt stop the cycle as quickly. so it seems like the only reason not to do test prop first cycle is because of more frequent, painful pinning?

[songdog]

Bottom line.YOU ARE TO YOUNG!!!! Wait a few years.You will be glad you did.

[carp123]

Bottom line.YOU ARE TO YOUNG!!!! Wait a few years.You will be glad you did.

what's up guys first post here. not looking to do my first cycle for another year or two

CAN YOU NOT READ?

[brolic272]

Bottom line.YOU ARE TO YOUNG!!!! Wait a few years.You will be glad you did.

Bro come on read my post I said I was gonna wait a couple years. We're on the same page I know I'm too young. Right now I'm just learning all I can for when I'm old enough. And who knows i might be happy enough where I get naturally at that point. A few months ago I was all gung-ho ready to use until I found this site and read all the stickies and realized I knew nothing. The mods on here also seem to have a genuine care for their fellow bodybuilders' health and I appreciate that. They've been down that road...I haven't. So this is how I'm gonna approach it. Its a fascinating subject to me and I think I'd research it anyway even if I had no interest in cycling in the future.

[brolic272]

Bottom line.YOU ARE TO YOUNG!!!! Wait a few years.You will be glad you did.

Double post

[dec11]

well done to the guys advising young usage, you're a valuable asset to the site.

and how long will it take to ban arstwat?