Urgent Help Neeed with PCT!

[Just Do It]

Hi you guys, it was recommended that I stop my gear by some members in the diet forum and was wondering if I can get your PCT help.

I have taking the following:

Deca, EQ & Test - ml and a half each - 5 weeks
Anandrol: 4 weeks
Winni - 4 weeks
Sust & Tren - 1ml each - 1 week

The last stack I took was the Sust & Tren & Winni. I haven't had a shot since Feb 22.

I was told that I should just go on Armidex which will fix everything in 4-6 weeks?

Is that all that I need?

Please, I need your help ASAP, cause I don't want to crash!

Thanks, please let me know what I should be doing for PCT.

Your guidance is much appreciated.

Take care.

[redz]

What the hell were you thinking? that cycle is wacked and arimidex is not a good pct, you need clomid and nolva.

[magicstick2003]

can you maybe list it like a normal cycle? if i read your last post right you did 5 wks of the first stack, 4 weeks, 4weeks, and 1 week?

[Just Do It]

Well, nothing was working, so I was trying different stacks. I know, stupid. But I stopped completely now. I want to get my system back to where it was originally. I will go back on it when my body and diet is ready for it, so it can actually work.

[magicstick2003]

where to begin....did u take all this at once? did u only run 5 wks of the deca than switch for 4 weeks to the other stuff than swith to the sust for 1 week... it's so confusing what you have written its hard to tell how long to wait for PCT. in any case you need to wait 3 weeks from last deca shot, 2 weeks from last test (sust too) It just depends what you ran last.... and you need clomid and nolva.

[Just Do It]

Hi Magicstick> No, these were not done all at once.

Deca, EQ & Test - ml and a half each - I took this stack for 5 weeks
Anandrol: Then I took this stack immediately after the first without waiting. I took this for 4 weeks
Winni - I took the winni with the Sust & Tren for 4 weeks
Sust & Tren - 1ml each - Then I took this stack for 1 week

There was no break in between each stack, it was one after another.

So you're staying not to use Armidex at all? Just Clomid and Nolva?

[Flier]

There are several combinations of good PCT and many bad ones.
Here is an example of a PCT that should work for you:

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)

While u wait for more answers, go to this tread so you understand what PCT is:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-A-with-Swifto....

[redz]

Adex actually makes the nolva weaker so yeah dont take it during pct.

[magicstick2003]

arimidex is generally used during cycle to prevent conversion to estrogen. You took winny/sust/tren for 4 wks and then dropped the winny and did sust/trn for an additional 1 wk? If thats the case you need to wait two weeks from your last shot to start you PCT. That would be my best guess given the assumption that you went a total of 5 weeks w sust and tren

[Just Do It]

magicstick> No. I just did the Sust & Tren stack for one week total.

I was originally taking the winni with Tren and Test, but then took it with the Sus and Tren stack.

arimidex is generally used during cycle to prevent conversion to estrogen. You took winny/sust/tren for 4 wks and then dropped the winny and did sust/trn for an additional 1 wk? If thats the case you need to wait two weeks from your last shot to start you PCT. That would be my best guess given the assumption that you went a total of 5 weeks w sust and tren

[Just Do It]

My guy doesn't carry Tamox or Tore

[Flier]

My guy doesn't carry Tamox or Tore

Forget about your guy, he sounds like an idiot.

Click on the ar´r banner on top of the page.

[Just Do It]

What do I need to get exactly?

Forget about your guy, he sounds like an idiot.

Click on the ar´r banner on top of the page.

[Flier]

What do I need to get exactly?

U should really read the thread I posted, and educate yourself.
Spend a couple of hours today reading through it.
How are your boys? Shrunk? U may want to lead the PCT by 10 days of HCG 500iu EOD. To prepare your testicles and will make production start faster/smoother.
However you may not need, all depending on how they feel.
If you gonna follow the PCT i suggested above you will need 1 bottle of Liq Tore and 1 bottle of liq Tamox.

[Just Do It]

Firsttimer: my boys didn't seem to shrink at all. What you suggested I do, is that going to bring my system back to normal?

Yes, I read that thread in great detail, I'm just freakin' out a bit.

U should really read the thread I posted, and educate yourself.
Spend a couple of hours today reading through it.
How are your boys? Shrunk? U may want to lead the PCT by 10 days of HCG 500iu EOD. To prepare your testicles and will make production start faster/smoother.
However you may not need, all depending on how they feel.
If you gonna follow the PCT i suggested above you will need 1 bottle of Liq Tore and 1 bottle of liq Tamox.

[SlimmerMe]

just do it.....you need to get your post count up for PM's......go to the lounge while waiting for responses

[Just Do It]

First timer:

Can you please clarify this:

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days)

What does "ED" mean? How many bottles of each will I need to finish the PCT?

[SlimmerMe]

WHEW! glad to see you are getting some answers.....the banner at the top right where the lion head is.....will probably have all you need.....but...it is the weekend.....so keep that in mind....re: shipping

[Just Do It]

I just don't know what to buy exactly. I just want my system back to normal. I don't think I'm ever going to go on roids again. This is freaking me out!

WHEW! glad to see you are getting some answers.....the banner at the top right where the lion head is.....will probably have all you need.....but...it is the weekend.....so keep that in mind....re: shipping

[SlimmerMe]

he can't get hcg here.....by the way.

i have question: should he continue some of the cycle for a few days....and then the PCT? just thinking out loud....I have no idea...

[Just Do It]

Yes, maybe this would be a good idea until I get my Tamox and Tore?

What do you guys think?

he can't get hcg here.....by the way.

i have question: should he continue some of the cycle for a few days....and then the PCT? just thinking out loud....I have no idea...

[Flier]

Yes, maybe this would be a good idea until I get my Tamox and Tore?

What do you guys think?

I would say no. But if anything, run Sust for another 1-2 weeks. No more Tren.
Someone else will have to tell u how long after your last Sust pin you should start PCT, but I would guess 3 weeks.
All I know is Sust has 4 esters, some long, some short, I just don´t know how long the longest ester is.
But with the half life of Sust being 10 days, I would go with 3 weeks.

I misunderstood before, you´ve been taking these stacks in succession , so your HPTA has been shut down for quite a long time.
I think the PCT I suggested will work, but I would also use HCG 500iu EOD for 2 weeks ending 4-5 days before your PCT.
Along with HCG you would also add 0.5 mg Arimidex EOD (you said u had on hand)
HCG is Pregnyl. If u can´t get it, then do without.

By the uniqueness of your cycle, I would post your Q for Swifto in the Q and A thread I linked you.
Order the Meds from ar-r right away, by the time they arrive, Swifto will have answered you. And I´m positive he will have u use those meds in similar fasion to what I suggested.

Good luck!

[Just Do It]

Where can I get HCG?

I would say no.
Someone else will have to tell u how long after your last Sust pin you should start PCT, but I would guess 3 weeks.
All I know is Sust has 4 esters, some long, some short, I just don´t know how long the longest ester is.
But with the half life of Sust being 10 days, I would go with 3 weeks.

I misunderstood before, you´ve been taking these stacks in succession , so your HPTA has been shut down for quite a long time.
I think the PCT I suggested will work, but I would also use HCG 500iu EOD for 2 weeks ending 4-5 days before your PCT.
Along with HCG you would also add 0.5 mg Arimidex EOD (you said u had on hand)
HCG is Pregnyl. If u can´t get it, then do without.

By the uniqueness of your cycle, I would post your Q for Swifto in the Q and A thread I linked you.
Order the Meds from ar-r right away, by the time they arrive, Swifto will have answered you. And I´m positive he will have u use those meds in similar fasion to what I suggested.

Good luck!

[SlimmerMe]

ED is everyday......in this case....

[Just Do It]

Thanks for clarifying

ED is everyday......in this case....

[Just Do It]

First Timer: Does ar-r ship to Canada? I know it says international orders, but won't the product be stopped at the border?

Does it only come in Liquid form? How do I use this stuff? With a needle?

Is there a pill version?

Thanks again.

[Flier]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

Yes liquid, justa s good as any.
taken orally.
U can get this in the Canadian pharmacy, if u have a doc who can write u prescription.
ar-r will ship anywhere, but a lot of countries in the EU will not accept Meds from USA and Canada.
From the US to Canada, I think u will have less of a problem.

[Just Do It]

First Timer: Thanks so much for helping me out. I posted on the thread for swifto to weigh in as well. I'm just wondering how much of that stuff I need to order? And where do I get the HCG from?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

Yes liquid, justa s good as any.
taken orally.
U can get this in the Canadian pharmacy, if u have a doc who can write u prescription.
ar-r will ship anywhere, but a lot of countries in the EU will not accept Meds from USA and Canada.
From the US to Canada, I think u will have less of a problem.

[Flier]

Sounds like u don´t have a relationship with a doc or endo who will write u a prescription, so your next best thing would be your friend who sold u the AAS.
1 bottle of each should be enough.
HCG comes in 5000iu per vial, so u only need 1.
U gonna take 20mg/ED Tamox. 1ml=10mg. 1 bottle is 50ml, so last u 50 days.

[Just Do It]

Can I buy the HCG from the ar-r website too? My friend doesn't sell HCG.

Sounds like u don´t have a relationship with a doc or endo who will write u a prescription, so your next best thing would be your friend who sold u the AAS.
1 bottle of each should be enough.
HCG comes in 5000iu per vial, so u only need 1.
U gonna take 20mg/ED Tamox. 1ml=10mg. 1 bottle is 50ml, so last u 50 days.

[Flier]

No, never heard of HCG in liquid form.

I guess then, ask your workout pals, or that big moody guy in the corner of the gym that suddenly gained another 20lbs in a very short time.

[Just Do It]

So does this look right for what I should do:

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/Every Day
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/Every Day (120mg/ED first 14 days)
0.5 mg Arimidex Every Other Day


No one provides HCG here, so I won't be doing that. Is that ok?

Also, how do I use the Tamox and Tore? Is this a drink?

No, never heard of HCG in liquid form.

I guess then, ask your workout pals, or that big moody guy in the corner of the gym that suddenly gained another 20lbs in a very short time.

[Just Do It]

I'm just thinking, would it be ok if I use Nova & Clomid, instead of the Tamox, Tore and Arimidex?

Reason being, I was reading up on the Tamox and Tore on the ar-r website, and these things are used on lab rats by scientists. That doesn't sound very safe to me. Would the Nova & Clomid do the same thing?

So does this look right for what I should do:

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/Every Day
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/Every Day (120mg/ED first 14 days)
0.5 mg Arimidex Every Other Day


No one provides HCG here, so I won't be doing that. Is that ok?

Also, how do I use the Tamox and Tore? Is this a drink?

[Flier]

I'm just thinking, would it be ok if I use Nova & Clomid, instead of the Tamox, Tore and Arimidex?

Reason being, I was reading up on the Tamox and Tore on the ar-r website, and these things are used on lab rats by scientists. That doesn't sound very safe to me. Would the Nova & Clomid do the same thing?

Sure.
Something like this:
Nova: 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clom: 50/50/50/50/25/25
No A/I
Start 3 weeks (I think) after last Sust pin. which u should end next week or so, right?

The active ingredients in the ar-r product are the same as the meds.
The fact that it is being used on lab rats is a mute point.
Tylenol was/is being used on lab rats too in the name of research.

[SlimmerMe]

HCG is injected.....and anything else is not what you want to have.
Please get your count up one more post or better yet a few more and then post a thread in the "Message Board" thread asking admin to activate your PM's. It does not automatically happen.

And you might want to edit your post asking where to get anything.....my 02.....

[Bonaparte]

The start the Torem 3 weeks after your last shot of Sustanon. Run it for 5-6 weeks tapered downward (maybe 120/120/100/100/80/60). And this will be an oral liquid.
HCg would make a nice addition, but it is obvious that you aren't competent enough to find or use it properly.

[Just Do It]

You guys, Mr. Happy wasn't able to get hard for the first time yesterday. I'm freaking out, is this normal? My last shot of everything was on Feb 22. My PCT starts in one week. What should I do???

I'm going to be doing the following for PCT:

Nova: 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clom: 50/50/50/50/50/50

Will Mr. Happy be able to get up again??? Freakin' out!

Thanks.

[Just Do It]

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[Fetch]

Yes, that is normal. Here is what happens...
You take steroids. You are injecting hormones into your body. This causes your body to stop producing them naturally. When you stop injecting the steroids, it takes awhile for your body to start producing naturally again. You are 'shut down.' During this period, you experience lethargy, lack of appetite, cravings for carbs, possible depression, sexual issues, etc. This is when you take the Clomid and Nolvadex, they should help your body kickstart production of it's own hormones. Depending on how badly you were shut down, you could recover in a few weeks, a few months, or never fully. Since it was your first cycle, and assuming you were older than 24, I'd assume you will come back by the end of your PCT, which should be 4-6 weeks, but everyone is different.

The only compounding issue is the different esters in the different substances you used. What happens is that the steroid is suspended in an oil, and it takes time to filter into your system. Because of this, you will have the steroid residual in your body for a period of time even after your last injection. If you are experiencing difficulty maintaining erection, I would guess you are low... but considering the fact that you were using Sust, which has one ester in particular that lasts a very long time, you are not ready for PCT quite yet. Typically, you need to wait 3 weeks from last injection of Sust to begin PCT. So wait another week.

All of that said, here is my recommendation...
Go to Ar-R at the top right of the page. Order Clomid and Tamox.
3 weeks after your last injection of Sustanon, do the following-->

Clomid weeks 1-2, 100mg/ day, weeks 3-4 50 mg/day
Tamox weeks 1-2, 40 mg/day, weeks 3-4 20 mg/day

If you are concerned about your inability to maintain an erection while your body recovers, you can also order Liquid Cialis from Ar-R. It works very well.

After your PCT, go get bloodwork done. See if your Testosterone is back to normal. A few months down the road, get it checked again to make sure you haven't rebounded.

Best of luck to you.

[Just Do It]

Hi Fetch,

Thank you so much for responding. I'm in major panic mode because this has never happened to me and it just happened out of no where last night. I ended up going to emergency cause I thought something was wrong with me...but because it wasn't an emergency, they didn't really tell me what they thought the problem was. It's not that I couldn't maintain an erection...I can't even get an erection period! It all of a sudden just happened last night out of no where.

I'm going to my doctor today to see what he says. Do you think that's ok for me to go to the doctor and tell him exactly what I've been doing, and that I can't get an erection now?

BTW, I'm 28 years old.

My last pin of Sus, Tren and Winni was on Feb 22. So I need to wait until March 15 to start my PCT?

Another member mentioned me doing this PCT, do you think this will work for me?

Is it ok if I use this PCT instead:
Nova: 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clom: 50/50/50/50/50/50

With the PCT, will I be able to have an erection again?

Freakin' out.

Thanks.

Yes, that is normal. Here is what happens...
You take steroids. You are injecting hormones into your body. This causes your body to stop producing them naturally. When you stop injecting the steroids, it takes awhile for your body to start producing naturally again. You are 'shut down.' During this period, you experience lethargy, lack of appetite, cravings for carbs, possible depression, sexual issues, etc. This is when you take the Clomid and Nolvadex, they should help your body kickstart production of it's own hormones. Depending on how badly you were shut down, you could recover in a few weeks, a few months, or never fully. Since it was your first cycle, and assuming you were older than 24, I'd assume you will come back by the end of your PCT, which should be 4-6 weeks, but everyone is different.

The only compounding issue is the different esters in the different substances you used. What happens is that the steroid is suspended in an oil, and it takes time to filter into your system. Because of this, you will have the steroid residual in your body for a period of time even after your last injection. If you are experiencing difficulty maintaining erection, I would guess you are low... but considering the fact that you were using Sust, which has one ester in particular that lasts a very long time, you are not ready for PCT quite yet. Typically, you need to wait 3 weeks from last injection of Sust to begin PCT. So wait another week.

All of that said, here is my recommendation...
Go to Ar-R at the top right of the page. Order Clomid and Tamox.
3 weeks after your last injection of Sustanon, do the following-->

Clomid weeks 1-2, 100mg/ day, weeks 3-4 50 mg/day
Tamox weeks 1-2, 40 mg/day, weeks 3-4 20 mg/day

If you are concerned about your inability to maintain an erection while your body recovers, you can also order Liquid Cialis from Ar-R. It works very well.

After your PCT, go get bloodwork done. See if your Testosterone is back to normal. A few months down the road, get it checked again to make sure you haven't rebounded.

Best of luck to you.