anyone a fan of anavar?

[paul 47]

some say anavar is good for cutting ?

[MickeyKnox]

Diet is paramount for cutting as im sure you know.

But having said that, team it up with prop and a solid diet, and youre off to the races.

What are your stats Paul?

[kronik420]

some say anavar is good for cutting ?

as long as your stacking it with test and on a calorie deficit, yes its good for cutting. also good for bulking, just depends on your diet.

[paul 47]

5.9 around 13-15 % bf some say its a waste of money and time

[kronik420]

5.9 around 13-15 % bf some say its a waste of money and time

1st cycle should be test only, have you done a cycle yet??

if not then stick with test for a 1st cycle, and for your 2nd you can add anavar.

reason being, if you had no bad side effects from your test only cycle, and then in your next cycle you add anavar but experience bad sides, then you'll know that its the anavar causing those sides, and then you can just drop it and never use it again.. make sense?

[paul 47]

i have done cycles before and i weigh 185 just seeing what ppl think about anavar

[kronik420]

i have done cycles before and i weigh 185 just seeing what ppl think about anavar

what were your previous cycles?

[The Titan99]

Var's for girl's. Tbol is King!!

[Sworder]

Var's for girl's. Tbol is King!!

Tren is king!!

[The Titan99]

Seriously though, at 15% BF Var is a waste of money if your taking it to just lower your BF. That is if you define a waste as unneccessary spending of money. Var is good for hardening muscle and strength. As a secondary effect it will reduce trunk fat a little. At 15% BF you wouldn't really be able to see the difference. Best thing to do would be to diet down to 10%, then, depending on your cycle experience, try Test/Var or even my personal favorite, Test/Masteron/Tbol.

[Sworder]

Seriously though, at 15% BF Var is a waste of money if your taking it to just lower your BF. That is if you define a waste as unneccessary spending of money. Var is good for hardening muscle and strength. As a secondary effect it will reduce trunk fat a little. At 15% BF you wouldn't really be able to see the difference. Best thing to do would be to diet down to 10%, then, depending on your cycle experience, try Test/Var or even my personal favorite, Test/Masteron/Tbol.

Diet and training is key! Anything you do on cycle will be undone unless you have mastered those. Cut the BF then come back and build that frame up!

[DigitalGorilla]

Seriously though, at 15% BF Var is a waste of money if your taking it to just lower your BF. That is if you define a waste as unneccessary spending of money. Var is good for hardening muscle and strength. As a secondary effect it will reduce trunk fat a little. At 15% BF you wouldn't really be able to see the difference. Best thing to do would be to diet down to 10%, then, depending on your cycle experience, try Test/Var or even my personal favorite, Test/Masteron/Tbol.

I love Anavar...but yea I also agree with all of this. Var is beter to harden up and for stregnth. At a higher BF you will see more results tho with the fat...at 15% hes right - you wont really see much.

[MickeyKnox]

What do you weigh? And cycle exp?

[Sworder]

Nice! Enjoy life Seems awesome over there. My friends have gone plenty of times, I have never. Have a good day. It's night here, gotta catch some ZzZ

[Striving4Aesthetics]

Mate you can do an Anavar cycle only if you want, as long as you take the necessary precautions including liver support, lipid support and a proper PCT. You should use test if you want a higher chance of bitch tits, high blood pressure, water retention, acne, bloat and scarring muscle tissue. Most of what people say on here is heresay and they go by what only a few select people say, which is obviously "test should be your first cycle". They are too scared to state their own opinions. It's the same with oral only cycles, most of what is said about them being bad is based on a select few people (those who have the highest post counts) saying that oral only cycles are a bad idea. You know what a bad idea is? Going out clubbing two or three nights a week and getting hammered - you don't see them getting lectures about their livers.

[kronik420]

Mate you can do an Anavar cycle only if you want, as long as you take the necessary precautions including liver support, lipid support and a proper PCT. You should use test if you want a higher chance of bitch tits, high blood pressure, water retention, acne, bloat and scarring muscle tissue. Most of what people say on here is heresay and they go by what only a few select people say, which is obviously "test should be your first cycle". They are too scared to state their own opinions. It's the same with oral only cycles, most of what is said about them being bad is based on a select few people (those who have the highest post counts) saying that oral only cycles are a bad idea. You know what a bad idea is? Going out clubbing two or three nights a week and getting hammered - you don't see them getting lectures about their livers.

lol what

oral only is for girls

be a man inject test suspension lol

[jimmyinkedup]

Mate you can do an Anavar cycle only if you want, as long as you take the necessary precautions including liver support, lipid support and a proper PCT. You should use test if you want a higher chance of bitch tits, high blood pressure, water retention, acne, bloat and scarring muscle tissue. Most of what people say on here is heresay and they go by what only a few select people say, which is obviously "test should be your first cycle". They are too scared to state their own opinions. It's the same with oral only cycles, most of what is said about them being bad is based on a select few people (those who have the highest post counts) saying that oral only cycles are a bad idea. You know what a bad idea is? Going out clubbing two or three nights a week and getting hammered - you don't see them getting lectures about their livers.

I think taking a steroid thats going to shut you down that isnt test based all by itself is a bad idea. A very bad idea.



Anavar Effects on HPTA


This study was just done 3/06. It was done to determine muscle gain/fat loss but it does prove it suppresses SHBG significantly.

University of California-San Francisco, and Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, 4150 Clement Street, San Francisco, CA 94121, USA. [email protected]


OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the efficacy and safety of oxandrolone in promoting body weight and body cell mass (BCM) gain in HIV-associated weight loss.

METHODS: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Two hundred sixty-two HIV-infected men with documented 10% to 20% weight loss or body mass index < or =20 kg/m were randomized to placebo or to 20, 40, or 80 mg of oxandrolone daily. After 12 weeks, subjects were allowed to receive open-label oxandrolone at a dose of 20 mg for another 12 weeks.

RESULTS: Body weight increased in all groups, including the group receiving placebo, during the double-blind phase (1.1 +/- 2.7, 1.8 +/- 3.9, 2.8 +/- 3.3, and 2.3 +/- 2.9 kg in placebo and 20-, 40-, and 80-mg oxandrolone groups, respectively; all P < 0.014 vs. baseline). BCM increased from baseline in all groups (0.45 +/- 1.7, 0.91 +/- 2.2, 1.5 +/- 2.5, and 1.8 +/- 1.8 kg in placebo and 20-, 40-, and 80-mg oxandrolone groups, respectively). At 12 weeks, only the gain in weight at the 40-mg dose of oxandrolone and the gain in BCM at the 40- and 80-mg doses of oxandrolone were greater than those in the placebo group, however. Oxandrolone treatment was associated with significant suppression of sex hormone-binding globulin, luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and total and free testosterone levels. Treatment was generally well tolerated but accompanied by significant increases in transaminases and low-density lipoprotein as well as decreases in high-density lipoprotein.

CONCLUSION: Oxandrolone administration is effective in promoting dose-dependent gains in body weight and BCM in HIV-infected men with weight loss.

[jimmyinkedup]

Op var is a great cutting drug when stacked properly. I dont know ehere u are at cyle wise etc but a low dose test / moderate tren / 60-80mg var daily cycle is amazing. It almost seems impossible for everything you eat NOT to turn to muscle.

[ppwc1985]

Yes I love var, I know what ppl say buy I did an 7 week cycle in jan. did it alone with about 1500 cals a day, went from about 30 % bf down to 23 %. Different gear affects ppl different. All you can do is try it. My next cycle added test cyp for 12 weeks and ended u running 100mg var Ed for first 6 weeks and lost another 6% bf and added about 12lbs muscle all on low cal high protein, fat diet. All ppl can do is try it. I know they say doing gear with high bf is bad, and I agree it's not the smartest thing to do. But if you run an AI and run cycle right I think it can be done safely. And ppl also say cardio, cardio. IMO cardio sucks, it's boring as hell. I copied insanity a hit program, needless to say I will never go back to 30 to 60 min of cardio when I can get same affects out of most times 30 min of hit. And it's so fun. Good luck with the var.

[DigitalGorilla]

Yes I love var, I know what ppl say buy I did an 7 week cycle in jan. did it alone with about 1500 cals a day, went from about 30 % bf down to 23 %. Different gear affects ppl different. All you can do is try it. My next cycle added test cyp for 12 weeks and ended u running 100mg var Ed for first 6 weeks and lost another 6% bf and added about 12lbs muscle all on low cal high protein, fat diet. All ppl can do is try it. I know they say doing gear with high bf is bad, and I agree it's not the smartest thing to do. But if you run an AI and run cycle right I think it can be done safely. And ppl also say cardio, cardio. IMO cardio sucks, it's boring as hell. I copied insanity a hit program, needless to say I will never go back to 30 to 60 min of cardio when I can get same affects out of most times 30 min of hit. And it's so fun. Good luck with the var.

I also did it alone the first time and dropped serious BF as well...

[scoot]

Yes I love var, I know what ppl say buy I did an 7 week cycle in jan. did it alone with about 1500 cals a day, went from about 30 % bf down to 23 %. Different gear affects ppl different. All you can do is try it. My next cycle added test cyp for 12 weeks and ended u running 100mg var Ed for first 6 weeks and lost another 6% bf and added about 12lbs muscle all on low cal high protein, fat diet. All ppl can do is try it. I know they say doing gear with high bf is bad, and I agree it's not the smartest thing to do. But if you run an AI and run cycle right I think it can be done safely. And ppl also say cardio, cardio. IMO cardio sucks, it's boring as hell. I copied insanity a hit program, needless to say I will never go back to 30 to 60 min of cardio when I can get same affects out of most times 30 min of hit. And it's so fun. Good luck with the var.

1 How much var were u taking through the first cycle?
2. insanity is cardio, were you running a weight program as well?

[t-dogg]

Love me some anavar. I think Im a lucky one with it. I get major fat loss imo and some muscle gain. Hardens me up like a rock. It will be in my next cycle 100mgs for 8wks.

[DigitalGorilla]

Woah!! Tdogg your a beast! I stopped at 80ED

[t-dogg]

Woah!! Tdogg your a beast! I stopped at 80ED

Im making a big log on here of my next cycle. Stay tuned lol. It should start in december some time hopefully.

[Ashop]

some say anavar is good for cutting ?

YES,,I love ANAVAR!!! Diet is essential to results of course.

[ppwc1985]

Scoot the first cycle I started out with basic dose being 50 mg, split twice day. Every 12 hrs, but wasn't happy with that do upped it to 75mg Ed than upped it to 100 and that's when I started to see it work alot better. When I used it second time I stayed at 100. It just worked with me. Like I say everyone is different. My diet, lol I know I'm going to get reamed here for this but I was drinking 5 protein blend shakes a day and on weekend I would eat what I wanted. It worked for me, maybe not the healthiest way to do it but it worked. In jan I was 308, today I sit at 235. But I always been in the gym, till about 5 years ago. I'm back now.

[ineedauser]

What about a high calorie or a "maintenance" diet while on 60mg for 2 weeks and then 80mg for 5 weeks? Stupid idea? High protein, clean carbs, and 80g of fat or so.

[The Titan99]

What about a high calorie or a "maintenance" diet while on 60mg for 2 weeks and then 80mg for 5 weeks? Stupid idea? High protein, clean carbs, and 80g of fat or so.

I'd do the same dose for the whole time. Also, macros are going to be directly dependent on you height, weight, age, and gender. Google BMR which will get you close on your maintainence cals if you laid in bed all day. Then google TDEE and add in your daily energy expenditure. Take that and go to the diet section and read the stickie, "So you want to learn how to diet". Buy a digital scale, join the website fitday.com to calculate your macros. You are then on your way down the path of dietary righteousness. No joke though, it's not only the most important part to BB, it's also the hardest to get a handle on. Good luck.

[paul 47]

think im going to do test e 12 weeks with var for 6 weeks adex .25 eod what do you guys think about that .then my pct after my 12 weeks

[reconjeep]

think im going to do test e 12 weeks with var for 6 weeks adex .25 eod what do you guys think about that .then my pct after my 12 weeks

i would tell you to run the test and see how you look in 9 weeks.Test with a good diet and you'll see a big change.

[P.Money]

Var for 6 weeks is not enough, 8 weeks you'll be satisfied paired with test and a good diet, it's like stroking it and almost cuming. 6 weeks just doesn't cut it.

[t-dogg]

Var for 6 weeks is not enough, 8 weeks you'll be satisfied paired with test and a good diet, it's like stroking it and almost cuming. 6 weeks just doesn't cut it.

This is wrong. I just did a 6wk cycle and lost BF. I also know guys on this board that run it at 4wks at a time.

[P.Money]

It's not wrong, it all depends on your starting point and your diet and workout plan. For me I did a var only cycle when I did my first cycle. My main focus are boxing and x-fit. If I do too much test I can't even finish the workouts because of the atrociously painful pumps. I tried everything, increased taurine intake, water and hardly any sodium in my diet. Raging pumps. @50mg/day I started seeing results around the 5th week, at the 8th week I had defined abs. Of course if you're leaner you will see results quicker