21 Year Old 1st-ish Cycle

[21yearsold]

Hey Guys!

Thankfully I am doing the below cycle because of a diagnosed condition of Low T WITH a prescription for all this. I am going to start this next Tuesday/Wednesday but let me give you a little history:

I started by finding out I had low T (See my 1st post in New Members). Got prescribed by an Endo for .75 cc bi-weekly. Found out this wasn't enough AND some could aromatize so I went to Kingsberg Medical. They are going to start me on the below. Before all that, in March-ish 2011 I took 2 days of T3 40mcg/day and 4 days of Clen 80mcg/day. Also took GHRP-6/CJC-1293 at 80ishmg? for about 3 weeks (RUI). Had all the T3/T4 Free/Total levels checked and they're fine. But I've gained 30ish lbs over the past year. Gonna also LEGALLY start a GHRP-6/Semerolin cycle here soon once I have the money as it's all Outofpocket no insurance covers it.

24 Week Testosterone Program
Testosterone Cypionate (Watson Brand)
Protocol: 200mg/1 ml weekly 2(10ml) vials
Anastrozole (20) .05MG capsules
Tamoxifen (20) 11 MG capsules
Protocol: Take 1 capsule one time per week
B-12 Cyanacobalamin (1) 1000mcg / 30ml vial
Protocol: one injection of 1 ml / 1000mcg per week
HCG (1) 5000 unit
Protocol: 250 units 2 x per week

Post Cycle Starts 2 weeks after last IM
HCG (1) 11000 unit vial
Protocol: One injection of 1000 units for 10 days
Clomiphene Citrate (30) 51mg capsules
Protocol: One capsule 2 X per day

ANY EXPERT/GOOD/EXPERIENCEDadvice would be WELCOME!

Thanks!

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[MickeyKnox]

I'd pop this question up in the HRT Forums for a better response.

HRT Forums

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...g#.UIn6pmfX_fs

[Lunk1]

So this isn't really a cycle it's your TRT protocal???

[MickeyKnox]

So this isn't really a cycle it's your TRT protocal???

Yup, he re-posted in HRT forums

[Lunk1]

Yup, he re-posted in HRT forums

Good deal. Op those guys know the ins and outs of TRT. See if you can get Kel to wake up and help out

[21yearsold]

So this isn't really a cycle it's your TRT protocal???

Yes Sir. Honest to God. I wouldn't have known about ANY of this (ESPECIALLY DOSAGE), and would have probably had to post here before in order to come up with such a specific routine had it not been for the fact that it came straight from a DOCTOR.

[21yearsold]

I've been told to post elsewhere twice now. Looking around, it's I feel like some peeps are all "You're TOO YOUNG, EAT BETTER... Oh wait, you're doing this legally? Post elsewhere, that's not worth my time."

[MickeyKnox]

I've been told to post elsewhere twice now. Looking around, it's I feel like some peeps are all "You're TOO YOUNG, EAT BETTER... Oh wait, you're doing this legally? Post elsewhere, that's not worth my time."

Youre fine bro, relax.

[Lunk1]

I've been told to post elsewhere twice now. Looking around, it's I feel like some peeps are all "You're TOO YOUNG, EAT BETTER... Oh wait, you're doing this legally? Post elsewhere, that's not worth my time."

Nobody said that at all. What Mick is saying is that there is an entire subforum specificly for TRT patients and those guys are super smart about BW and protocals. Alot of guys here are more cycle oreintated.

[21yearsold]

Understood. Sorry Mick and Lunk... I've been really super-stressed about the whole ordeal cause of how crazy it is that I have to deal with this at my age ....

But honestly, I also posted here because I've been thinking about stacking Winstrol on top. What are your thoughts? Can't hurt too much, my HPTA's already FXD ((.

[Lunk1]

Understood. Sorry Mick and Lunk... I've been really super-stressed about the whole ordeal cause of how crazy it is that I have to deal with this at my age ....

But honestly, I also posted here because I've been thinking about stacking Winstrol on top. What are your thoughts? Can't hurt too much, my HPTA's already FXD ((.

My honest advise is...let's take it one step at a time and make sure you get the TRT thing sorted out. 21 and on TRT...did you ever say why? Do you have a copy of your BW you can post over in TRT?

[Juced_porkchop]

Understood. Sorry Mick and Lunk... I've been really super-stressed about the whole ordeal cause of how crazy it is that I have to deal with this at my age ....
But honestly, I also posted here because I've been thinking about stacking Winstrol on top. What are your thoughts? Can't hurt too much, my HPTA's already FXD ((.

if you are on HRT stick to hrt. till older is my op.
but a tip; winny is very harsh on blood and gains are minimal and its bad for joints and tendons.

if anything tbol over winny.

[10nispro]

Dont start adding extra compounds. You dont know how your body is going to react to test yet. If you start adding things and have sides, you want know which caused it and how to deal with the sides.

[21yearsold]

Do I really need to post that? I will if necessary though.

Is there a reason I should know about why I have low T? Because my Dr. has no idea. Neither do I. I understand and am not going to hit Winn until I get things at least 2-3 months into it. But I need to have a solid... Infrastructure... for obtaining/cycling should I react well to the prescribed test. I will post pictures of BW if necessary, I don't have a scanner though.

[Brohim]

Do I really need to post that? I will if necessary though.

Is there a reason I should know about why I have low T? Because my Dr. has no idea. Neither do I. I understand and am not going to hit Winn until I get things at least 2-3 months into it. But I need to have a solid... Infrastructure... for obtaining/cycling should I react well to the prescribed test. I will post pictures of BW if necessary, I don't have a scanner though.

HRT You don't come off test. So I dont' understand this "cycle" your doc has you on. What is the purpose of the cycle?

[Lunk1]

No need to continue here for now as they have a hold on ya in TRT. They may be able to help you get OFF TRT...

[21yearsold]

Guys-

Look, I appreciate your time. But I'm talking to several qualified DOCTORS and ENDOS. I'm asking a question and I'm being questioned about the validity of my statements every step of the way. It's already embarrassing enough having these issues, much less posting in a forum where I feel like there might be some understanding people, and have people telling me "Prove it, you're on the wrong stuff, you don't need to be doing it, we'll get you OFF the TRT..."

If you were 21 and your dick stopped working, you stopped having a sexual drive, gained 40 lbs. in 12 months and had no motivation to do anything with life, you'd feel the same...

[warmouth]

Guys-

Look, I appreciate your time. But I'm talking to several qualified DOCTORS and ENDOS. I'm asking a question and I'm being questioned about the validity of my statements every step of the way. It's already embarrassing enough having these issues, much less posting in a forum where I feel like there might be some understanding people, and have people telling me "Prove it, you're on the wrong stuff, you don't need to be doing it, we'll get you OFF the TRT..."

If you were 21 and your dick stopped working, you stopped having a sexual drive, gained 40 lbs. in 12 months and had no motivation to do anything with life, you'd feel the same...

Man, I think you need to chill out. Seriously. No one knows but you and your doctor. I just hope your doctor is lookng out for your best intrest here and not just prescriing you something. Dicks stop working and weigh gains come from several factors in ones life. Stress, school, diet, anxiety, etc. Chill and take advice from your doctor because no one here is seeing you one on one or know your medical history. This is a forum of strangers, and you are coming here while you say you have a doctor putting you on this. Why come here if you are going to get pissy for people trying to help?

[Brohim]

Guys-

Look, I appreciate your time. But I'm talking to several qualified DOCTORS and ENDOS. I'm asking a question and I'm being questioned about the validity of my statements every step of the way. It's already embarrassing enough having these issues, much less posting in a forum where I feel like there might be some understanding people, and have people telling me "Prove it, you're on the wrong stuff, you don't need to be doing it, we'll get you OFF the TRT..."

If you were 21 and your dick stopped working, you stopped having a sexual drive, gained 40 lbs. in 12 months and had no motivation to do anything with life, you'd feel the same...

First of all take a chill pill. You need to be patient we are asking questions so we can help you. Secondly, qualified docs in HRT are hard to come by. They are doing in backwards. They need to first find out the cause of your low T. Low T can come from two places. Pituitary or testicles. Did you get a scan of your Pituitary? What were your baseline LH and FSH number's? Have you ever had a injury to your testicles?

[21yearsold]

First of all take a chill pill. You need to be patient we are asking questions so we can help you. Secondly, qualified docs in HRT are hard to come by. They are doing in backwards. They need to first find out the cause of your low T. Low T can come from two places. Pituitary or testicles. Did you get a scan of your Pituitary? What were your baseline LH and FSH number's? Have you ever had a injury to your testicles?

They told me I didn't need a pituitary MRI. They said they're uncertain why because I've never had testes injury, they don't feel abnormal (Dr.'s opinion), don't hurt, LH=Lutenizing Hormone? He said those levels were normal, but my body wasn't producing enough, possibly over-sensitized? IDK, but I tried to answer all of that.

[warmouth]

Seems weird the OP was doing his TRT and he was still going to PCT. Did I read something wrong? I have heard alot of stories lately by Drs prescribing TRT to people who test low in free testosterone, but it was due to illicit substances or supplements that supressed natural test. The other forum would be best, and I am going to hop over and take a look, but to be put on TRT, extensive BW for several months is usually administered.

[21yearsold]

I'm not getting pissy at people trying to help. I just asked a question and people have to steer me all over the place instead of answering it. I asked something very specific and it's like "Oh you're younger than 25- EAT BETTER... Oh wait it's prescribed? DOCTOR IS WRONG!" I'm very chill kid. Not pissy or mad, just frustrated. Why do people have to question what I'm stating in the first place?

[MickeyKnox]

Hey Fellas,

21 is currently being looked after in the HRT forums. Please let this thread die out. Thanks.

[MickeyKnox]

Hey Fellas,

21 is currently being looked after in the HRT forums. Please let this thread die out. Thanks.

[warmouth]

Got it Mickster! I just had to add because I am stubborn. I am going over there now.

[warmouth]

Let me simplify this. Why are you getting advice from strangers on cycle that your doctor has put you on? And if it truely is TRT, why is he putting you on a PCT? Is he trying to "reboot" you test production? If you truely need TRT, ther is no need for us to tell you about diet, no need to tell you about exercise, etc. Is your doctor also prescribing you winstrol? Sounds like alot of this is self diagnosis. I am not saying it is, but it definitely looks that way. If you just want to run a cycle but are afraid you are too young for us to help, we will still do our best to help you out. Some may even suggest what to start out with. If this is legit TRT, then just listen to your doctor and you'll be fine. He can give you better advice than anyone here because he knows your medical history.

[21yearsold]

Warmouth- do me a favor and please refrain from posting on my threads. I don't care what your opinion is on the validity of my claims. I have already posted BW in HRT and am talking to different people now. You're EXACTLY the kind of person I was speaking about above. No hard feelings or anything, but I'm not asking for opinions of strangers on the Test cycle's validity which was recommended by 2 endos and a primary care. Just wanted an opinion on stacking with Winn once I have figured out the side affects. That's not going to be covered in the HRT thread. That's why I posted here.

[warmouth]

Warmouth- do me a favor and please refrain from posting on my threads. I don't care what your opinion is on the validity of my claims. I have already posted BW in HRT and am talking to different people now. You're EXACTLY the kind of person I was speaking about above. No hard feelings or anything, but I'm not asking for opinions of strangers on the Test cycle's validity which was recommended by 2 endos and a primary care. Just wanted an opinion on stacking with Winn once I have figured out the side affects. That's not going to be covered in the HRT thread. That's why I posted here.

You got it 21yearold. But before showing your age, read my posts in a mature way and take into consideration what was said. I think your estrogen is slightly elevated. I never flamed you, as you are attempting to me, but do you see where I am coming from to listen to your doctor and not strangers on a steroid forum? You see, you are asking to "stack" a compound and you dont even know for certain what is going on with yourself yet. Do you see what I am saying? You are having trouble with a limp pecker and are getting a liscensed doctor(I hope he is liscensed) to assist you and prescribe something to help you be normal, and you are asking about stacking something in the future when you dont know exactly what your problem is. I think that if you re read my posts with a mature attitude, you will find I was trying to help. But go on and dont worry. You will never see a reply or response from warmouth. Also, there is an ignore feature here that comes in handy in case you need it. Good luck!

[21yearsold]

You got it 21yearold. But before showing your age, read my posts in a mature way and take into consideration what was said. I think your estrogen is slightly elevated. I never flamed you, as you are attempting to me, but do you see where I am coming from to listen to your doctor and not strangers on a steroid forum? You see, you are asking to "stack" a compound and you dont even know for certain what is going on with yourself yet. Do you see what I am saying? You are having trouble with a limp pecker and are getting a liscensed doctor(I hope he is liscensed) to assist you and prescribe something to help you be normal, and you are asking about stacking something in the future when you dont know exactly what your problem is. I think that if you re read my posts with a mature attitude, you will find I was trying to help. But go on and dont worry. You will never see a reply or response from warmouth. Also, there is an ignore feature here that comes in handy in case you need it. Good luck!

Thanks kid. Wasn't trying to flame you or I would not have said things like "no hard feelings" and "sorry if that was too harsh". Roid rage much?

Anyways- Can anyone else offer me some advice/thoughts on the Winn or Anavar/Test cycling? Please don't refer me to HRT, talk about age, or try to argue with my BW/Diagnosis from 3 LICENSED docs. Just wanting to know what the board's thoughts are on that kind of cycle. Possible experiences, stuff to watch out for, etc. I UNDERSTAND NOT TO DO THIS UNTIL WELL INTO MY TRT, FINALIZING/STABILIZING AND MAKING SURE THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE SIDE AFFECTS.

Thanks!
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[Lunk1]

Thanks kid. Wasn't trying to flame you or I would not have said things like "no hard feelings" and "sorry if that was too harsh". Roid rage much?

Anyways- Can anyone else offer me some advice/thoughts on the Winn or Anavar/Test cycling? Please don't refer me to HRT, talk about age, or try to argue with my BW/Diagnosis from 3 LICENSED docs. Just wanting to know what the board's thoughts are on that kind of cycle. Possible experiences, stuff to watch out for, etc. I UNDERSTAND NOT TO DO THIS UNTIL WELL INTO MY TRT, FINALIZING/STABILIZING AND MAKING SURE THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE SIDE AFFECTS.

Thanks!
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After being a bit involved in your TRT posts I cannot in good consience offer you any advise on stacking compounds with your TRT. I firmly believe TRT is not necessary for you and that your docs are wrong. Not everything that comes out of a doctors mouth is the truth (inside joke)

Please consider getting the whole actual diagnoses thing figured out before trying to cycle steroids. Plenty of time for that when your health is back to normal.

Sorry if that's not what you wnat to hear....

[21yearsold]

After being a bit involved in your TRT posts I cannot in good consience offer you any advise on stacking compounds with your TRT. I firmly believe TRT is not necessary for you and that your docs are wrong. Not everything that comes out of a doctors mouth is the truth (inside joke)

Please consider getting the whole actual diagnoses thing figured out before trying to cycle steroids. Plenty of time for that when your health is back to normal.

Sorry if that's not what you wnat to hear....

I'm not stupid enough to do something that will jeopardize or possibly damage results or diagnosis. OF COURSE I will get the whole diagnosis before doing a cycle. I'm talking about something that's a potential 1-2 months from now. In the meantime, I need advice/thoughts and experience from those who have done these things so if it turns out that what the 3 licensed doctors and myself think is true, I have established relationships, connections and infrastructure required to begin the stack.

[warmouth]

After being a bit involved in your TRT posts I cannot in good consience offer you any advise on stacking compounds with your TRT. I firmly believe TRT is not necessary for you and that your docs are wrong. Not everything that comes out of a doctors mouth is the truth (inside joke)

Please consider getting the whole actual diagnoses thing figured out before trying to cycle steroids. Plenty of time for that when your health is back to normal.

Sorry if that's not what you wnat to hear....

Hey Lunk! Longtime, no hear from. I cant post to the OP because I am a total moron, but do you know that Low T at a very young age is so rare that it is almost non existant? I am on TRT, and since I am, a co worker thought it was so cool that he got tested as well. Guess what? It turns out he had low T. After 6 months of BW, it turned out that opiates and alcohol were the culprits and they lowered his production and he is in rehab getting that issue straightened out. It is crazy how outside chemicals and supplements can supress natural testosterone. It is a good thing he found out what was really causeing it and didnt go on TRT at 23 years old, as that actually could have destroyed his HPTA. Holler at me sometime!

[Juced_porkchop]

After being a bit involved in your TRT posts I cannot in good consience offer you any advise on stacking compounds with your TRT. I firmly believe TRT is not necessary for you and that your docs are wrong. Not everything that comes out of a doctors mouth is the truth (inside joke)

Please consider getting the whole actual diagnoses thing figured out before trying to cycle steroids. Plenty of time for that when your health is back to normal.

Sorry if that's not what you wnat to hear....

GOOD ADVICE!
doc just wanted the $ is seems or doesnt care or know what hes doing.
he should have trie dot lower your estro which may raise your test levels, or evnn runs of HCG ALONF for recovery. OR a SERM used for months to see if it can get them going THEN AT A F-ING LAST RESORT ........ HRT.

[21yearsold]

Sorry if that came across too harsh man. Wasn't trying to be a dick. Just am getting the EXACT same questioning in like 3 different forums on here. :/

[Lunk1]

Well let me give you true solid AAS cycle advise!

First cycle is ALWAYS test only! This allows the body to determine the cause of side effects.

If you choose the path I feel you are choosing then you will need to bump your T dose to 400-500 mg per week pinned 2X a week and drop any other compound for the first cycle or 2.

[warmouth]

Well let me give you true solid AAS cycle advise!

First cycle is ALWAYS test only! This allows the body to determine the cause of side effects.

If you choose the path I feel you are choosing then you will need to bump your T dose to 400-500 mg per week pinned 2X a week and drop any other compound for the first cycle or 2.

Sorry, you poted this as I was writing to you. I think you got to the bottom of this, which everyone was tip-toeing around it. Sounds like you got it! Good Job and +1 for you my friend!

[21yearsold]

Your post almost brought tears of joy to mein eyes.

OK, what do you think about all the anastrozole/tamoxifen stuff up there I have listed? I believe it's supposed to keep test from aromatizing?

Doc also told me to do B12 and HCG, what say you? Only reason I'm bumping up dose is cause I have an extra bottle here. Also, cyp OK?

[Lunk1]

Your post almost brought tears of joy to mein eyes.

OK, what do you think about all the anastrozole/tamoxifen stuff up there I have listed? I believe it's supposed to keep test from aromatizing?

Yes it does and an AI is necessary. Most negetive sides come from elevated E2.

I will not comment on a licensed physicians recommendations though. I would follow their advise before EVER considering mine or someone elses! Play smart my friend

I have to add I still don't like this. I wish the concentration was less on cycling and more on diagnoses and keeping you off of TRT!

[21yearsold]

Yes it does and an AI is necessary. Most negetive sides come from elevated E2.

I will not comment on a licensed physicians recommendations though. I would follow their advise before EVER considering mine or someone elses! Play smart my friend

I have to add I still don't like this. I wish the concentration was less on cycling and more on diagnoses and keeping you off of TRT!

I understand and totally appreciate your concern here. AI? E2?

And looking through all this, 6 months from now would you feel comfortable if after the cleanse they have recommended for me, once I start back up on the test AGAIN (It'll be right after the 2 wks b12/2 wks clomita-whatever), that I do a winnie to compliment? That gives me 6 months to feel it all out. I would prolly just drop back to their newly-prescribed 100 cc/wk if i added it though? maybe?

also I am interested in your thoughts:

winnie vs anavar

More research points towards anavar?

Thanks!

[Lunk1]

I understand and totally appreciate your concern here. AI? E2?

And looking through all this, 6 months from now would you feel comfortable if after the cleanse they have recommended for me, once I start back up on the test AGAIN (It'll be right after the 2 wks b12/2 wks clomita-whatever), that I do a winnie to compliment? That gives me 6 months to feel it all out. I would prolly just drop back to their newly-prescribed 100 cc/wk if i added it though? maybe?

also I am interested in your thoughts:

winnie vs anavar

More research points towards anavar?

Thanks!

Again...I am not a TRT expert but I don't understand the idea of a cleanse?? My understanding is that TRT is a life long commitment and therefore the idea of your 24 week run with a PCT baffles me.

To answer your question about Var vs Winnie....Var handsdown!