Need some help with my current PCT

[roidneedles]

Hey guys, So I just finished my cycle and just started PCT but have question, I searched around but cant seem to find an answer.

Hereis my protocol.
wk1-3HCG 500iu 3x/wk
wk1-6 nlva 20mg.day
wk1-6 torem 50mg.day

My question is. I reconsituted my HCG wth sodium chloride water, Ive read that it wnt keep more then a wk this way?
If so, should I just blast the HCG for wk at 1000iu/day? Is it better to run the HCG longer at a lower dose as apose to shorter at a higher dose? Thanks forany help

Edit: how are my doses on the SERMS?

[Gaspaco]

What was your cycle?

[roidneedles]

What was your cycle?

my cycle was
wk 1-12test 750mg/wk
wk12-20 test500mg/wk
wk 16-20 ultradrol 12mg/day (is a PH to methylstenbolone)
wk16-20 M-LMG 150mg/day (another PH)
I threw in the orals at the end to contiune making gains. I kno its a pretty long cycle, do uthink my PCT is enough to recover from a cycle like this?
thanks

[Gaspaco]

my cycle was
wk 1-12test 750mg/wk
wk12-20 test500mg/wk
wk 16-20 ultradrol 12mg/day (is a PH to methylstenbolone)
wk16-20 M-LMG 150mg/day (another PH)
I threw in the orals at the end to contiune making gains. I kno its a pretty long cycle, do uthink my PCT is enough to recover from a cycle like this?
thanks

I dont have exp. with torem.

I would do Clomd&nolva stack

100//75/50/50/50
40/20/20/20/20

HCG should be ran during cycle, your recovery would be much easier.

[roidneedles]

Yea but I didnt run it during cycle.. Soo Im rnning it during PCT, And I only have torem and nolva on hand. Clomid gives me badsides and torem gives me almst no sides for me and Ive seenstudies showing that torem isfar supperior for recoverng HPTA then clomid. Thanks for ur input.

Anyone have any suggestion about running my HCG?

[Bio-Active]

Run your torem at 120 the first 2 weeks and then drop it to 60 for the following weeks after. I don't like hcg during pct as it will continue to suppress lh levels. I would have either extended the cycle a couple more weeks and run the hcg then or just drop it all together. If you run hcg the first 2 weeks of pct it makes sense to run a 6 week pct though

[roidneedles]

Run your torem at 120 the first 2 weeks and then drop it to 60 for the following weeks after. I don't like hcg during pct as it will continue to suppress lh levels. I would have either extended the cycle a couple more weeks and run the hcg then or just drop it all together. If you run hcg the first 2 weeks of pct it makes sense to run a 6 week pct though

Well I wanted to use the HCG to bring my balls back to size and function and then let the SERMS keep my test levels up to recover. What about running it at 500ius for the first8 days ofPCT?

[Bio-Active]

And run a 6 week pct

[roidneedles]

And run a 6 week pct

Yea and then run the nolva and torem for 6 wks. At ths dose
torem 100/50/50/50/50/25
nolva 20/20/20/20/20/20
That look good?
My main concern wth the HCG is tobringmy balls back to size cuz when I addedthe orals at the end of mycycle they shrunk bad. And so far on day 3 of the PCT and theyre still small.. How long until u noticed they come back to size with HCG?

[Bio-Active]

Torem 120/120/60/60/60/60 nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20 when they will bounce back is pretty individual but hopefully at that dose you should start to feel something soon

[Buster Brown]

Torem 120/120/60/60/60/60 nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20 when they will bounce back is pretty individual but hopefully at that dose you should start to feel something soon

Ran the exact same Pct last cycle (tes e/tren e) and loved it in contrast to Clo/Nov. at the dosages mentioned above.

[roidneedles]

Ran the exact same Pct last cycle (tes e/tren e) and loved it in contrast to Clo/Nov. at the dosages mentioned above.

Ok I have been running the above dosages but I'm noticing some different effects from last time.. 1. My cock has been shriveled up like I just blew a few lines of blow or speed. Wtf is this? I've never had this on pct is it cuz I'm drying out? 2. I have been pretty depressed the past few days like kinda bad I didn't notice this either on my last pct.. Anyone else have this?

[roidneedles]

Ran the exact same Pct last cycle (tes e/tren e) and loved it in contrast to Clo/Nov. at the dosages mentioned above.

Also, how was ur recovery?

[Buster Brown]

Also, how was ur recovery?

My recovery went well in that I didn't have the mood swings that I did using clomid which is important to me because Pct is stressfull enough and don't care for the extra sides if possible. I crashed as well around week 3 (usually that is my "magic week" where I nosedive.) This is all part of it and I don't think it ever really gets easier but if you have a better understanding of what your body is going through then it does make things easier to accept. Yes, yousr sex drive will bottom out for a while and this is something you will also have to accept. It is of paramount importance that you stay focused train and eat or all that you worked for will vanish. Renmember, it's not what you gain but what you can actually keep that dictates a succesful cycle.

[roidneedles]

My recovery went well in that I didn't have the mood swings that I did using clomid which is important to me because Pct is stressfull enough and don't care for the extra sides if possible. I crashed as well around week 3 (usually that is my "magic week" where I nosedive.) This is all part of it and I don't think it ever really gets easier but if you have a better understanding of what your body is going through then it does make things easier to accept. Yes, yousr sex drive will bottom out for a while and this is something you will also have to accept. It is of paramount importance that you stay focused train and eat or all that you worked for will vanish. Renmember, it's not what you gain but what you can actually keep that dictates a succesful cycle.

Im strting to feel a little better now so hopefuly im over the hump. I got to the gym today and had a pretty good workout, got 4 meals in today. Im prtty sure most the weight I lost was water. AftePCT will I start to feel good again and be able to have good workouts? I plan on taking some good time off and trying to grow naturally before I dable in some test, growth, and insulin )

[Bio-Active]

How many weeks are you in to pct?

[roidneedles]

How many weeks are you in to pct?

This is the start of the 3rd week today. The first week everything was fine then boom 3-4 days ago I got hit with this crushing depression and what I mentioned above.. Like I said last pct I didn't experience but last time I didn't run nolva. Also, I had been taking trazadone as prescribed by my doctor for sleep and I stopped taking that about 5 days ago. Possible these effects are from that?

[Back In Black]

Can I ask your finishing stats for this cycle?

You didn't mention the tren or other orals that you ran at the start of the cycle?

[roidneedles]

It was a good cycle my gear was on the weaker side but It was cheap so I what can I expect. I'm 5'10 finishing weight just over 230lbs I'm about 10% bf so I'm a pretty big dude. But, I've lost about 10lbs already cuz I've had this ****ing depression the past few days which I can't eat or train so I'm pissed. And as far as the orals I didn't run any as a kick start I actually used test prop the first four weeks which I didn't mention I just put "test". Only threw in the orals at the end to continue growing. I was 210lbs when I started with only a 3 week break from the previous cycle.

[Bio-Active]

It was a good cycle my gear was on the weaker side but It was cheap so I what can I expect. I'm 5'10 finishing weight just over 230lbs I'm about 10% bf so I'm a pretty big dude. But, I've lost about 10lbs already cuz I've had this ****ing depression the past few days which I can't eat or train so I'm pissed. And as far as the orals I didn't run any as a kick start I actually used test prop the first four weeks which I didn't mention I just put "test". Only threw in the orals at the end to continue growing. I was 210lbs when I started with only a 3 week break from the previous cycle.

You have to force yourself to eat and train to protect those gains. I know it sucks but you just have to do it

[Bio-Active]

Sounds like you feeling the crash after running a cycle. It is pretty common to feel run down during pct because the exogenous test has left your system and your body needs some time to recover.

[roidneedles]

Sounds like you feeling the crash after running a cycle. It is pretty common to feel run down during pct because the exogenous test has left your system and your body needs some time to recover.

Yea that's what I figured but it's weird cuz I've never felt this before. Yesterday I did feel a lil better so hopefully my natty test will start to kick in soon as I plan on taking 6 months off. Thanks for ur help man

[Bio-Active]

Good to hear you are feeling better and yes it should get easier after pct. pct and recovery seemed to get harder with every cycle I ran. At 21 I think it's a good idea for you to take your time and make a full recovery.

[Buster Brown]

Only bloodwork will truly let you know where you are in terms LH, Tes, etc. Don't use your ball size to gauge recovery other then the fact that they are bouncing back (no pun intended). Yes, I did also noticed that my balls seemed to come back quickly and just as full if not a tad fuller. Can't say that they came back "bigger" for ceratin because I didn't do any kind of measuring pre-cycle but was pleased none the less with how they responded to Torem. Glas to see your back on the saddle!

[Bio-Active]

They probably seem bigger now because they atrophied and you just got used to them being a bit smaller

[roidneedles]

okay so I cant judge if my test levels are high just on nut size?I figure big nuts equal high test levels, is that not the case? Also, how long should I wait after PCT to get bloods? I will be starting week 4 of PCT on wednesday. And Ive add d-aspartic acid at 3g/day is this okay?

[Buster Brown]

They probably seem bigger now because they atrophied and you just got used to them being a bit smaller

Exactly, and over the course of a cycle you get used to them being smaller.

[Bio-Active]

The only way to know for sure is labs. I would wait 6-8 weeks to run labs

[roidneedles]

The only way to know for sure is labs. I would wait 6-8 weeks to run labs

okay thanks for ur help bro