effects of tribulus on PCT

[dk94]

im starting my PCT protocol in one week consisting of the standard nolvadex/clomid combo. I noticed i have some bottles of tribulus left over. I realise they are a waste of money, i still want to use them because i did pay for them. If i ran Trib with my pct could it possibly hinder it or cause problems? im not worried that it wont have positive effects because its bought and paid for, im just concerned about the possibility of negative effects.

Thanks

[< <Samson> >]

Well, my combo was trib @ 3000mg per day, Cialis + the usual clomid/nolva

I came off a very long rough cycle. 3 weeks after pct I got my bw - my test numbers improved by about 30-40% compared prior to cycle

Just my input

[tren_monster]

No you're fine man. It won't have any neg affects on your pct. I use DAA powder

[redz]

I personally wouldn't bother.

[Ashop]

I personally wouldn't bother.

I personally wouldnt either.

[Honkey_Kong]

You're better off feeding the tribulus to the ducks at the pond until they sink. It's useless garbage.

[MuscleInk]

You're better off feeding the tribulus to the ducks at the pond until they sink. It's useless garbage.

^^^Exactly! Still surprises me that some people believe in that useless crap. Works as well as that Pink Magic bull shut that GNC was pushing years ago.

Amazes me how successful the nutritional supplement industry is selling things that have no efficacy data and just a pretty marketing add or label.

[Bigshotvictoria]

^^^Exactly! Still surprises me that some people believe in that useless crap. Works as well as that Pink Magic bull shut that GNC was pushing years ago.

Amazes me how successful the nutritional supplement industry is selling things that have no efficacy data and just a pretty marketing add or label.

But its standardized to 40% Saponins!!!!!

[MuscleInk]

But its standardized to 40% Saponins!!!!!

Lol.....right....and the majority of people don't know what a saponin is. The companies use lofty claims and words to make the products sound scientific and effective. Many read "saponins" and think, wow, it must be marvelous then!!!! Lmao.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Lol.....right....and the majority of people don't know what a saponin is. The companies use lofty claims and words to make the products sound scientific and effective. Many read "saponins" and think, wow, it must be marvelous then!!!! Lmao.

But the guy on the website that took my credit card was wearing a lab coat, so it must be legit...

[Honkey_Kong]

^^^Exactly! Still surprises me that some people believe in that useless crap. Works as well as that Pink Magic bull shut that GNC was pushing years ago.

Amazes me how successful the nutritional supplement industry is selling things that have no efficacy data and just a pretty marketing add or label.

I don't know about you, but I'm envious of those supplement makers. They are getting filthy rich off their snake oil. It makes you really want to start your own line of supplements. You know get your piece of the $billion industry.

And I remember when I worked for GNC all those years ago, people would come in there believing you had the magic pill for them. That if you took their Cellucor product or their GNC brand creatine, magically you'd go from wimp to hulk in a matter of a month without all the years of hard training and dieting. And there are people there that would drop hundreds of dollars a month on this line of bullshit every month. Eventually, they'd give up and quit, but there'd be another moron to take their place. I mean, just look at all the supplement idiots on that other bodybuilding site. It's a fvcking gold rush there I tell you.

[Euroholic]

You say its a waste of money yet you still paid for it op?

[dk94]

You say its a waste of money yet you still paid for it op?

I bought them when i didnt really know, it was under $10 a bottle for at walmart. It didnt break the bank

[devil-1986]

i think DHEA could be better choose for pct

[devil-1986]

what about DHEA on pct ?

[tren_monster]

Stick to DAA. $20 for a 300G tub

[Bigshotvictoria]

Stick to DAA. $20 for a 300G tub

D-aspartic acid is one of two forms of the amino acid aspartic acid. The other form is L-aspartate.

The benefits of D-AA are specific to it, and do not extend to aspartic acid or L-aspartate.

D-AA can be used as a testosterone booster for infertile men, and by athletes as a temporary booster. Elevated testosterone levels only last a week to a week and a half in healthy men, with testosterone returning to normal afterward.

D-AA works in the central brain region to cause a release of hormones, such as luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and growth hormone. It may also build up in the testicles, where it alleviates a rate-limiting step of Testosterone synthesis, which leads to a minor testosterone increase.

So even though it does have a legitimate effect, it's so short as to be pointless.

D-Aspartic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

[tren_monster]

Pointless? Hardly dude. It's a perfect tie in for pct. I'm not saying it's something to run 365. It has it's benefits of raising test levels and like everything else it has downfalls such as a short window.

[Docd187123]

Pointless? Hardly dude. It's a perfect tie in for pct. I'm not saying it's something to run 365. It has it's benefits of raising test levels and like everything else it has downfalls such as a short window.

No it's not, it's pointless.

[MuscleInk]

Pointless? Hardly dude. It's a perfect tie in for pct. I'm not saying it's something to run 365. It has it's benefits of raising test levels and like everything else it has downfalls such as a short window.

Perhaps as an adjuvant to nolva and clomid. Not as a substitute.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Pointless? Hardly dude. It's a perfect tie in for pct. I'm not saying it's something to run 365. It has it's benefits of raising test levels and like everything else it has downfalls such as a short window.

Source?

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[MuscleInk]

Source? Sent from my iPhone using Forum

I too would like to see these sources especially when the published medical literature to date suggests that tribulus is ineffective for increasing testosterone levels in humans, and all marketing claims are unsubstantiated.

[tren_monster]

I too would like to see these sources especially when the published medical literature to date suggests that tribulus is ineffective for increasing testosterone levels in humans, and all marketing claims are unsubstantiated.

Talking about DAA not trib

[MuscleInk]

Talking about DAA not trib

Ok, my misunderstanding. Thank you for the correction.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Talking about DAA not trib

Yet still no source.

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[tren_monster]

I have no reports to show on paper just the effects of the DAA I seen in my own body such as changes in skin, bacne (which I never had) coupled with increased recovery during pct

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I have no reports to show on paper just the effects of the DAA I seen in my own body such as changes in skin, bacne (which I never had) coupled with increased recovery during pct

Many people get worse acne during PCT and after cycle then during cycle.
Your acne could have nothing to do with the DAA.

[MuscleInk]

Many people get worse acne during PCT and after cycle then during cycle. Your acne could have nothing to do with the DAA.

Correct, could have easily been caused by changes in other hormones.

[tren_monster]

While it's effects are limited to a short term it still has benefits.

http://examine.com/supplements/D-Aspartic+Acid/

[Docd187123]

And what exactly do you think happens in an acute setting? How much of an effect do you expect to realize? From the website you linked (which happens to be a great site btw):

There appears to be an increase in testosterone in most subjects acutely (6-12 days), and while this may persist to the tune of 30-60% in infertile men it is reduced to baseline within a month in otherwise healthy men with normal testosterone at baseline.

D-aspartic acid (D-AA) is an amino acid regulator of testosterone synthesis. It also makes a stimulatory neurotransmitter (NMDA). D-AA shows promise in aiding male fertility. Healthy men supplementing D-AA experience only temporary increases in testosterone, which limits its use.

[Bigshotvictoria]

And what exactly do you think happens in an acute setting? How much of an effect do you expect to realize? From the website you linked (which happens to be a great site btw):

That's the post I gave calling bullshit on his claims. He's arguing for the sake of arguing. This is the same guy that told someone that superdrol isn't a steroid, and doesn't need ancillaries or PCT.

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[Docd187123]

That's the post I gave calling bullshit on his claims. He's arguing for the sake of arguing. This is the same guy that told someone that superdrol isn't a steroid, and doesn't need ancillaries or PCT.

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I know and it's funny how this circular argument landed back square where we began hahahah. I didn't know about any of the previous posts but the argument is still flawed on his part. I just noticed you linked to the same page as him hahahaha.

[MuscleInk]

And what exactly do you think happens in an acute setting? How much of an effect do you expect to realize? From the website you linked (which happens to be a great site btw):

Who authored the web site? What's their experience and credentials? I skimmed it on my phone but didn't give it a full detailed read.

Whenever I see stuff posted randomly on the Internet, I always evaluate it against the standard of truth (which is usually published medical studies). Just as in neurology and nuclear medicine (my current vocation) I must challenge clinical and ante mortem evidence against the Standard of Truth (which in my discipline is usually pathological findings post mortem).

[Bigshotvictoria]

Who authored the web site? What's their experience and credentials? I skimmed it on my phone but didn't give it a full detailed read. Whenever I see stuff posted randomly on the Internet, I always evaluate it against the standard of truth (which is usually published medical studies). Just as in neurology and nuclear medicine (my current vocation) I must challenge clinical and ante mortem evidence against the Standard of Truth (which in my discipline is usually pathological findings post mortem).

As far as the authors of the website, I can't vouch. However, they post links to all of the studies they've used at the bottom of the page. With that said, I only understand a modicum of the info in the studies, I'd be interested to see what you get out of them having greater knowledge of the research process.

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[MuscleInk]

As far as the authors of the website, I can't vouch. However, they post links to all of the studies they've used at the bottom of the page. With that said, I only understand a modicum of the info in the studies, I'd be interested to see what you get out of them having greater knowledge of the research process. Sent from my iPhone using Forum

Thanks! I'll have to cruise back to the page and pay closer attention to the references and see what I can download from my subscriptions.

[Docd187123]

Who authored the web site? What's their experience and credentials? I skimmed it on my phone but didn't give it a full detailed read.

Whenever I see stuff posted randomly on the Internet, I always evaluate it against the standard of truth (which is usually published medical studies). Just as in neurology and nuclear medicine (my current vocation) I must challenge clinical and ante mortem evidence against the Standard of Truth (which in my discipline is usually pathological findings post mortem).

I agree it's always best to question and appeals to authority are atill fallacies. Having said that, this site (examine.com) is a fantastic site that bases their recommendations around published and peer reviewed studies. In the absence of such evidence they'll make calculated guesses on some things but specifically state that there isn't much evidence. The site is run by MDs, PhDs, biochemists, molecular biologists, nutritionists, etc. Here's the link to the info on the main authors and again it's a site I go to for unbiased information

What is Examine.com? | Examine.com

[MuscleInk]

I agree it's always best to question and appeals to authority are atill fallacies. Having said that, this site (examine.com) is a fantastic site that bases their recommendations around published and peer reviewed studies. In the absence of such evidence they'll make calculated guesses on some things but specifically state that there isn't much evidence. The site is run by MDs, PhDs, biochemists, molecular biologists, nutritionists, etc. Here's the link to the info on the main authors and again it's a site I go to for unbiased information What is Examine.com? | Examine.com

Thanks brother. Glad you're considering the credibility of the sources! Great job.

[Honkey_Kong]

Thanks brother. Glad you're considering the credibility of the sources! Great job.

Hey, you have a subscription to JAMA don't you?