Should I bulk or cut?

[Chunnnky]

I had been bulking for around 2 months now, I gained around 4kg
I got a teen competition coming up around march and I need to work on my chest which is REALLY lacking, I have clen ready for my cutting cycle.
I want to know that If I should continue bulking and work on my chest or start to cut now?
And I would also like to know how long do I need to cut to around 8-9% BF do I need to start cutting around feb?
And I am 18 btw

[Bio-Active]

You need to start your cut soon

[Chunnnky]

I am around 16% bf right now right?
Ahhh I am really stressing, cause of my chest, it is not gonna be enough if I start to cut now

[Bio-Active]

I am around 16% bf right now right?
Ahhh I am really stressing, cause of my chest, it is not gonna be enough if I start to cut now

Your chest will look bigger after you cut

[Chunnnky]

So if my competition is on march 7 when should i start cutting?
It is gonna be my first competition btw so I am not really sure, cause this is the first time I have a time limit

[Bio-Active]

So if my competition is on march 7 when should i start cutting?
It is gonna be my first competition btw so I am not really sure, cause this is the first time I have a time limit

I like to start my cut 13 weeks out. Gives you plenty of time to make adjustments

[Chunnnky]

My inner chest is really weak look at the space in between

[Bio-Active]

My inner chest is really weak look at the space in between

Concentrate on doing flys on your chest day. Like I said the leaner you get the bigger you will look on stage

[Chunnnky]

So I should start cutting right now?

[gbrice75]

I am around 16% bf right now right?
Ahhh I am really stressing, cause of my chest, it is not gonna be enough if I start to cut now

My inner chest is really weak look at the space in between

Start your cut now. How much size do you really think you'll be able to add to your chest within such a short timeframe? I'd bet any changes would be negligible.

Also bear in mind that the separation you're concerned over probably has more to do with genetics as they pertain to your pectoral shape and inserts. While growing your pecs may 'close the gap' to some degree, you may never achieve the look you have in mind, as we cannot change our muscle shape, or how/where they insert.

[Back In Black]

That's 8 weeks away. You need to start cutting before today so you don't have to cut too fast and risk too much muscle loss.

As Bio says, as you lose that fat you will look more impressive.

What is your diet plan?

[Chunnnky]

What should be my diet If I am 68kg, 5.4 when cutting

[Chunnnky]

I am eating 3.3k calories per day right now
I think for my height and weight my maintenace is about 3k calories?
I plan to have a intake of 2.4k cals per day for my cut

[Chunnnky]

Current bulking diet
Meal 1- 6 boiled egg white with 700 cal mass gainer, Bcaa
Meal 2 - Rice and boiled Chicken breast
Meal 3- Boiled Chicken Breast, Tuna and rice
Pre Workout- 1 scoop myoblitz 1 scoop assault, Bcaa, nitrogen oxide
Workout
Post workout- Protein Shake
Meal4- Pasta, Prawns, Brocolli
Meal5- 5 Eggs, 700 cal mass gainer ( before bed )

[Back In Black]

You don't have a plan?

What are your real life maintenance calories for your currently and how much cardio have you been doing?

[Chunnnky]

You don't have a plan?

What are your real life maintenance calories for your currently and how much cardio have you been doing?

Sad to say I don't really have a plan I have much to learn, basically someone told me to join the competition cause its aged 14-18.
I think my maintenance is 2.7k to 2.8k
I had been taking 3.3k cals for my bulk.
I thought I only need like 6 weeks to cut so I did not bother coming up with a diet plan yet.
What should be my diet plan when I am on Clen when cutting taking 40 mcg and tapering it up to 60 or 80 for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off?

[Bio-Active]

Sad to say I don't really have a plan I have much to learn, basically someone told me to join the competition cause its aged 14-18.
I think my maintenance is 2.7k to 2.8k
I had been taking 3.3k cals for my bulk.
I thought I only need like 6 weeks to cut so I did not bother coming up with a diet plan yet.
What should be my diet plan when I am on Clen when cutting taking 40 mcg and tapering it up to 60 or 80 for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off?

Oh boy this is gonna make being ready for a show in 8 weeks really tough. You better hit the nutrition section and get on a plan

[Chunnnky]

Oh boy this is gonna make being ready for a show in 8 weeks really tough. You better hit the nutrition section and get on a plan

Sorry its around 11 weeks, I typed the wrong date. ahahah I am already prepared to crash and burn for my first competition, good opportunity to get some experience imo

[Back In Black]

Oh boy this is gonna make being ready for a show in 8 weeks really tough. You better hit the nutrition section and get on a plan

Lol, I think you got lost this is the diet section

April 7th not March is much better so 12 weeks is a much healthier way of doing it. Hold off on the clen, 12 weeks for you to drop around 12lbs of fat is doable without.

How much cardio have you been doing?

[Chunnnky]

Lol, I think you got lost this is the diet section

April 7th not March is much better so 12 weeks is a much healthier way of doing it. Hold off on the clen, 12 weeks for you to drop around 12lbs of fat is doable without.

How much cardio have you been doing?

why hold off on the clen?
I had been doing low intensity high duration (30mins) on the treadmill 2 times a week

[Bio-Active]

Lol, I think you got lost this is the diet section

April 7th not March is much better so 12 weeks is a much healthier way of doing it. Hold off on the clen, 12 weeks for you to drop around 12lbs of fat is doable without.

How much cardio have you been doing?

Oops I did. Op do you know the macros for each meal? Those mass gainer shakes got to go away

[Chunnnky]

Wait I typed wrong Its on April 7

[Bio-Active]

Lets see that nutrition plan with macros

[Chunnnky]

Lets see that nutrition plan with macros

one sec typing it right away

[Bio-Active]

Keep your heart rate in the fat burning zone the whole time

[Chunnnky]

what should my diet be? I should probably take lots of bcaa to prevent muscle lost right

[Khazima]

IMO don't waste your gains by cutting down to a ridiculously low bf%, which at your (our) age can also be detrimental to growth particularly of the organs and testicles. Keep making gains for a while and think about competing when you have a bigger base and realize the full consequences of getting into contest shape.

[Chunnnky]

IMO don't waste your gains by cutting down to a ridiculously low bf%, which at your (our) age can also be detrimental to growth particularly of the organs and testicles. Keep making gains for a while and think about competing when you have a bigger base and realize the full consequences of getting into contest shape.

the problem is i need to cut for the competition. I am not standing on stage like a pile of lard

[Khazima]

the problem is i need to cut for the competition. I am not standing on stage like a pile of lard

The whole point of the post is to say don't do the show lmao, of course you need to cut to compete, and with competing comes the consequences especially at a young age.

If you really want to cut i'd say cut to 12ish % then bulk back up and make gains until your older. Cutting to really low bodyfats at any age has negative affects on your hormones and organs as well as other things like mood/sex drive, at a younger age this is magnified and now you're starving yourself (that's what cutting is, starving you body to force it to lose fat) including starving your organs and testicles and potentially hindering their growth/development.

[Back In Black]

The whole point of the post is to say don't do the show lmao, of course you need to cut to compete, and with competing comes the consequences especially at a young age.

If you really want to cut i'd say cut to 12ish % then bulk back up and make gains until your older. Cutting to really low bodyfats at any age has negative affects on your hormones and organs as well as other things like mood/sex drive, at a younger age this is magnified and now you're starving yourself (that's what cutting is, starving you body to force it to lose fat) including starving your organs and testicles and potentially hindering their growth/development.

With all due respect he is talking about one show. And doing it naturally. And doing physique so he doesn't need to much below 10%. Even if he gets to 8% he will be there for a matter of weeks.

[Khazima]

With all due respect he is talking about one show. And doing it naturally. And doing physique so he doesn't need to much below 10%. Even if he gets to 8% he will be there for a matter of weeks.

That's true, but why would you want to do only one show when your physique is unlikely to place, + the risks of such a drastic cut so young. No offence OP but that's how i feel.

I'm 19 (during my last cut, 20 now) and decided to cut my weight loss goals short because of the extended length of the cut, i didn't want to go past 10 weeks + furthering my deficit. I felt quite significant changes in mood and sex drive, pretty clear indicators my hormones weren't functioning the way they intended, then when i got back into a surplus i've been breaking out with acne since.

But BIB is right i may have an over-biased view on the negative effects of competing especially for physique, do what you will with your base of knowledge and the sound advice you've been given in the thread.

[gbrice75]

that's what cutting is, starving you body to force it to lose fat) including starving your organs and testicles and potentially hindering their growth/development.

Woah - I wouldn't go that far. Nobody should be starving themselves. One can safely and effectively reduce bodyfat without any repercussions you mention. Even very low bodyfat levels ( < 5%) can be achieved safely - albeit unsustainable for very long. We don't need a board of fatties petrified to cut because they read your post!

[Khazima]

Woah - I wouldn't go that far. Nobody should be starving themselves. One can safely and effectively reduce bodyfat without any repercussions you mention. Even very low bodyfat levels ( < 5%) can be achieved safely - albeit unsustainable for very long. We don't need a board of fatties petrified to cut because they read your post!

Haha well obesity has the same consequences on your internals as cutting to extremely low BF%, so i hope people at 15% wanting to get to 5% read it and reconsider.

The side effects of being in a deficit are not so prevalent with fully developed individuals, being a teen your entire body is still growing (including organs and testicles) so not giving them sufficient nutrients can be harmful. That's why it's advised for teens to either recomp or be in a (small) surplus unless they're already obese, in which case being obese is more harmful than being in a moderate deficit.

[Bio-Active]

IMO don't waste your gains by cutting down to a ridiculously low bf%, which at your (our) age can also be detrimental to growth particularly of the organs and testicles. Keep making gains for a while and think about competing when you have a bigger base and realize the full consequences of getting into contest shape.

he is getting ready for a show. You don't bulk before a show you have to cut weight not to 3-4 % but he will need to cut to 7-8 % to do physic

[Chunnnky]

does anyone know what will be my diet when cutting with clen? I heard you have to have high carbs and protein?

[Bio-Active]

does anyone know what will be my diet when cutting with clen? I heard you have to have high carbs and protein?

you need to figure out what it takes to maintain before anyone can answer that question. Clen will only work once everything else is in place

[Chunnnky]

you need to figure out what it takes to maintain before anyone can answer that question. Clen will only work once everything else is in place

What information do I need to know that?
I know my maintenance is 2700-2800 cals

[Bio-Active]

What information do I need to know that? I know my maintenance is 2700-2800 cals

how do you know that when you don't know the macros of each of your meals? I am not trying to beat you up her but just saying?

[Chunnnky]

how do you know that when you don't know the macros of each of your meals? I am not trying to beat you up her but just saying?

So what should i start with?
It must be 2700-2800 cals because I stayed on a diet someone written for me 8 months ago
Which consisted of 688g Carbs, 306Fats, 688grams protein.

Meal 1 - 552 cals
Meal 2 - 535 cals
Meal 3 - 516 Cals
Meal 4 - 570 Cals
Meal 5 - 577 Cals

I basically added in protein shakes and a few more snacks here and there when I bulk because my weigh stop gaining for about 4 months with that diet

[Bio-Active]

Some guys here would ask you to figure your tdee. I don't do that. Once you figure what it takes to make your body run and maintain then it's just math. I would reduce your daily caloric intake by 500 calories Ed. See were your at in a couple weeks. As long as you are loosing 1-2 lbs EW you are moving in the right direction. Make sure you are eating greens several times Ed and don't count those calories either. Use them to give you the feeling of being full. They are negative calories and will help you loose weight as well