how many tell their doctors?

[shootdeep]

i wouldn't tell mine unless i got into health trouble. the last thing i need is for my medical insurance to find out. if you do tell, what do your doctors say?

[BUYLONGTERM]

I told mine. He wasn't happy I was on a cycle, but he said he respected me for telling him. Now I'm on HRT and he gives me shots!!!! gotta love it!

[BIG21]

i told mine but they arent allowed to tell anyone because of patient/doctor confidentiality.

[Da Bull]

Yes my doctor knows.....he's somewhat educated on AS so he's hard to fool if you wanted to.

[symatech]

lying to your doctor only hurts yourself. i have never lied to my doctor.

[BIG21]

lying to your doctor only hurts yourself. i have never lied to my doctor.

very true, that way he can accurately help you...specially with high blood pressure, gyno, etc.

[BLACKZILLA]

I've been thinking about this a lot. I need to find a good dr in my area first and be able to trust him. Hmmmmm interesting post, thanks

[johnsomebody]

There's a thread somewhere around here that convinced me NOT to tell my doctor.

Apparently they can report to the Insurance Board (or something like that) if they feel you're an increased risk. I don't want to say more than that cuz I don't have the info right here and I can't back it up, but it's possibly something to be concerned about.

[shootdeep]

There's a thread somewhere around here that convinced me NOT to tell my doctor.

Apparently they can report to the Insurance Board (or something like that) if they feel you're an increased risk. I don't want to say more than that cuz I don't have the info right here and I can't back it up, but it's possibly something to be concerned about.

that's my fear. i had a physical last week and she asked me if i use AS. it's been about 8 months since my last cycle and i lied and told her no. i think the insurane company has access to that info if a condition arises and they want answers.....just what i need!

[groverman1]

It goes against the Hippocratic oath. A big no no.

[Jackman]

i tell mine

[alpineslide]

The insurance company gets all info. They need it to pay claims. You also need to turn your medical records over to life insurance companies if you expect to get life insurance. If you switch health insurance companies they ask you to sign a waiver so that they can view your health records before they will insure you.

Then again I could be dead wrong, but this is what I believe :

Don't tell your doctor, don't tell your friends, don't tell your wife/girlfriend, don't tell your dog, don't tell the guy that asks paper or plastic, don't tell the cashier that asks cash or charge.....are you getting the idea here ?

[Kato]

Don't tell your doctor, don't tell your friends, don't tell your wife/girlfriend, don't tell your dog, don't tell the guy that asks paper or plastic, don't tell the cashier that asks cash or charge.....are you getting the idea here ?

exactly!

[ItalianMuscle27]

Why wouldnt you tell your doctor?? Most ignortant thing Ive ever heard..

And Kato, I know ive seen that breast somewhere before...MMMMMM!
Im nasty too..

[Tedmax195]

I couldn't tell my doctor because i had sinmce i was born but now i'n in a bigger city and i still have to find one but if i ever cycle again i'm sure i will tell him.

[Jackman]

of course tell your ****ing doctor!

[Testify]

Tell him what? There's nothing to tell.

[956Vette]

I wont ever say anything to my doc about aas, etc. What do you think the nurses/docs are going to say when i tell them about the various breast cancer and fertility drugs i take??? I just like to get my bloodwork done, and interpret the results for myself. jmo

[johnsomebody]

Well bros, I may have been misinformed by a previous thread. Here's the opinion of TNT a retired mod...

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Originally posted by J-Bud
. . . this also brings up a question for me. Now I know the Doc is not allowed to tell people about your AS use. But what about insurance?? Can he tell your insurance company that and then they deny a claim? Anyone know how this would work?
This is an interesting question, one that was just addressed on the board within the past week. Unfortunately, the originator of the thread deleted all of the posts, so I'll try to summarize what I wrote last time . . .

There is a "master list" of diagnostic codes called the ICD-9, which physicians use to classify all diseases and disorders. Every condition has an ICD-9 number, and it's this number that is usually sent to insurance companies.

The only time an insurance company will receive additional information such as labwork and medical history is for the purpose of "utilization review," a euphemism for the process of approving a diagnostic or surgical procedure. Apart from insurance, however, your medical records can also be subpoeaned (or requested through the discovery process) in the event that you have, say, an auto or work-related accident and are involved in a lawsuit. In that case, opposing counsel would have information on your medical history, which is why I recommend that you ask your doctor not to note any of your AS use in your chart if it can be avoided.

As for denying claims, it doesn't usually happen. Let's say, for example, that you live on every steroid under the sun and, after a few years, you develop liver failure. Would the insurer pay for an operation or would they deny the claim?

The answer is simple: They would do the same thing that they would do if you were an alcoholic, had been drinking for years, and had developed cirrhosis of the liver. In other words, they would approve treatment for a juicer under the same circumstance that they would for an addict or alcoholic. An since both alcoholism and drug addiction are considered diseases, the same could be construed about medical sequelae (a fancy medical term for consequences) as a result of chronic AS use.

With that in mind, it doesn't mean that an insurer would approve everything. Just as they would not approve, say, a heart transplant for someone who still smoked cigarettes, they would neither approve a liver transplant for someone who was still drinking or an AS user who was still juicing. But short of that, and keeping in mind that there are xeceptions to every rule, the norm would be for all medical conditions to be covered.

Another question that was addressed in the previous thread is whether an insurer receives copies of lab work. Again, the answer is normally no, unless the labs are relevant for utilization review purposes. Even if a doctor were to write a prescription, that does not go before the insurer, except in the case of a limited number of prescriptions that require pre-approval (such as Celebrex, Viagra, and Vioxx).

So the good news is that, except in the limited circumstances I have described here, your relationship with your physician is fully protected by confidentiality, but it never hurts to add a little assurance by asking your doctor not to comment on AS in your chart.
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[shootdeep]

Well bros, I may have been misinformed by a previous thread. Here's the opinion of TNT a retired mod...

"
Quote:
Originally posted by J-Bud
. . . this also brings up a question for me. Now I know the Doc is not allowed to tell people about your AS use. But what about insurance?? Can he tell your insurance company that and then they deny a claim? Anyone know how this would work?
This is an interesting question, one that was just addressed on the board within the past week. Unfortunately, the originator of the thread deleted all of the posts, so I'll try to summarize what I wrote last time . . .

There is a "master list" of diagnostic codes called the ICD-9, which physicians use to classify all diseases and disorders. Every condition has an ICD-9 number, and it's this number that is usually sent to insurance companies.

The only time an insurance company will receive additional information such as labwork and medical history is for the purpose of "utilization review," a euphemism for the process of approving a diagnostic or surgical procedure. Apart from insurance, however, your medical records can also be subpoeaned (or requested through the discovery process) in the event that you have, say, an auto or work-related accident and are involved in a lawsuit. In that case, opposing counsel would have information on your medical history, which is why I recommend that you ask your doctor not to note any of your AS use in your chart if it can be avoided.

As for denying claims, it doesn't usually happen. Let's say, for example, that you live on every steroid under the sun and, after a few years, you develop liver failure. Would the insurer pay for an operation or would they deny the claim?

The answer is simple: They would do the same thing that they would do if you were an alcoholic, had been drinking for years, and had developed cirrhosis of the liver. In other words, they would approve treatment for a juicer under the same circumstance that they would for an addict or alcoholic. An since both alcoholism and drug addiction are considered diseases, the same could be construed about medical sequelae (a fancy medical term for consequences) as a result of chronic AS use.

With that in mind, it doesn't mean that an insurer would approve everything. Just as they would not approve, say, a heart transplant for someone who still smoked cigarettes, they would neither approve a liver transplant for someone who was still drinking or an AS user who was still juicing. But short of that, and keeping in mind that there are xeceptions to every rule, the norm would be for all medical conditions to be covered.

Another question that was addressed in the previous thread is whether an insurer receives copies of lab work. Again, the answer is normally no, unless the labs are relevant for utilization review purposes. Even if a doctor were to write a prescription, that does not go before the insurer, except in the case of a limited number of prescriptions that require pre-approval (such as Celebrex, Viagra, and Vioxx).

So the good news is that, except in the limited circumstances I have described here, your relationship with your physician is fully protected by confidentiality, but it never hurts to add a little assurance by asking your doctor not to comment on AS in your chart.
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good post bro

[TRE]

Not worth the risk.

[spywizard]

no way in heck...........

[pigskin]

i tell mine!

[meathead84]

its good to have two doctors, one you go to for blood work just on cycles that you pay for out of pocket in addition to your regular one, cause if it goes in your permanant file it can possible effect your long term insurance policies

[DF2003]

yes i tell mine but he's my brother so i guess it makes it easier.

[cj1capp]

I tell mine and am glad I did. I get tested every six weeks now to check my liver function and my lpiod profile. Also have my psa checked.

[slobberknocker]

I get asked every time I go to the doctor. I deny it. None of their business, and doctors don't know **** about AAS.

[legend]

my doc is super cool. i tell him when ever i am going to start, and i give him the list of ingredients. he is not happy about it, but he knows he can't stop me. and he puts nothing in my file... nothing about AS.

[monkeyjuice]

i told him, he didn't seem too happy with me, but he told me to be careful. Think of it this way, if i get messed up, its more money for him! cuz i'll be in there more! ay know

[LightWeightBaby]

I have not had a chance but I think next doc appointment I am going to tell him. I told the parents I am going to go in sometime to get a blood test to see if i have high cholesterol(runs in the family) haha if they only knew the real reason I am going

[smits101]

Well this is how i worded it to my doctor.. I said suppose (wink) I had done such and such steroids over a period of time what tests should i have done etc and how can i protect myself (he'll get the picture)...this way it is not on ur medical record. I do know that if you get bad gyno and need to have surg and your doctor knows that you had done steroids before theres a good chance ur insurance company wont pay for it when the doctor lets them know about ur past. Someone might have already brought this up already but thought i would add my 2 cc's. Def need blood work done....ofcourse theres other ways of getting it donewith out admitting to steroids but i like my doc to know everything.

[DEVLDOG]

i told mine,she refered me to her collegue who was head of the alternative medicine department at the hospital.who gave me an open door for any questions i may have,he was very knowledgable and intrigued to have someone who was willing to be honest with their experiences with various AAS.i feel it can only help.i'm not worried about insurance claims down the line.the way i see it,your not garunteed tomorrow and if you were worried about living until you were 80 then you wouldnt be juicin in the first place.if your gonna do it,be smart about it.let your doctor know.