Is this 2 much?

[cfoland]

Ok, im wanting to start my first real cycle. I have used a little test cyp in the past but not enough to really do anything. In my months of research I have decided on a deca / sust cycle. However, after further reading I think that I may be able to gain enough from only the sust. Im 5'10, weigh only 135, 22 years old, and dont know my body fat, but its next to nothing. Im a skinny mofo. My question is can I handle 400mg deca and 500mg sust per/week for 8 weeks. Or is my skinny ass bettter starting out with only one or the other? If so, which one and how much? What about a little d-bol to get things started quciker? Thanks in advance.

[man_of_steel]

do the cypionate,deca sus,and d-bol..eat 3,000-5,000 caleries a day,get a minimum of 200 grams of protein,go to the gym 6 days 2 hours a day for 10 - 12 weeks,and you will see an average gain of 20 lbs at least..and if you're as lean as you say,you will be looking like a fucking beast bro.take nolvadex with this system-so you dont get bitch tits,and clomid after your cycle to maintain what you have gained,and it doesnt hurt to take milk thistle and codliver oil to keep the liver damage under control..hope this helps you dude..it worked for me.. MAN_OF_STEEL

[Kullman]

Bro no flame here but you are 22 and weigh 135? How long have you trained natural for? I don't think you need as much as man of steel advised for a first cycle. See how your bodies receptors react to things. There is no need for both cyp and sust. Run a test at 250-500mg's w/ eq or deca at 300-400 mg's. You could kick start w/ d-bol if you wanted. Take arimidex or liquidex throughout if you want to keep the water down and of course avoid gyno. clomid at end.

[man_of_steel]

hey man..I must have overlooked the fact that this would be your first cycle..what I recommended is too much for the novice,not to confuse you,but do what kull suggested,start with some test and d-bol,or deca,which works great as a first timer starter..again,sorry to confuse you bro,I guess it pays to pay attention...hahaha.. - MAN_OF_STEEL

[cfoland]

So then its not to much for me to use deca @ 400 and sust @ 500 /week *8?

[juiceon]

I have been cycling for 10 years. One thing I am always confused about is when people write that it takes 2-3-4 weeks for a cycle to "kick in". After being clean for five months, I just started a cycle. This week, my first week, I am taking 15 mg. of dbol a day, and am throwing in phenyl prop (100 mg.) twice. I already feel the effects - why? - - because I would not start my cycle until my body was in need of it. When I decided I wanted to start again (about 5 weeks ago) I increased the intensity of my workouts. For the last two weeks, I have been sore as hell, and have been not gaining much, almost catabolic - that is my sign that I was ready to start. That is also why I feel the relief of the juice at such a low dosage. btw, I am 6'2" at 240 at about 12 % bf.

Sorry for the long intro., but the botton line is that you do not need to stack deca with sust now. The assistance you get from the sust will be plenty provided you have stressed your body to the point of exhaustion in the preceeding weeks. If you have not, then you are more or less depending on the drugs too much.

I will (and recommend) add straight-anabolics (deca, winny, primo depot) on top of test cycles, but only after I find the anabolic effects of the tests are inadequate for my recouperation. At that time, based on experience, I should be around 250 (after bulking to about 255-260 on this cycle, and bridging/cutting for a few weeks inbetween).

btw, next week I start cyp at 600 mg. and continue with the 15 mg. dbol. Needless to say, I have been training like an animal this week.

Thus, IMO, your best bet is to get the most out of the sust alone, for it has a lot to offer.

The long winded response is justified, because I find short "do it this way" with no explaination responses difficult to trust.

One final word, I agree whole-heartedly with the advice to eat tons of protein. But if you feel your stomach gets upset, cut back. You don't want to work against your bodies messages to you. Ginger root is supposed to help digest extra protein.

good luck.

[man_of_steel]

dude,before you go get all high and mighty on the kid,I think he was asking for OPINIONS and advise.an opinion is just that,an opinion.I'm just telling him what I think he would need to bulk up .what I said worked for me worked for ME,and might not work well for the next guy.while I respect your opinion,its YOUR opinion,not mine.I'd never deliberately try and give someone bad advise,epecially when it comes to fellow iron pumping brothers(and sisters..)we are a breed of the same,all heading in the same direction: excellence in body and mind,not accepting the mediocrity of today's unhealthy,unmotivated society,and feeling pride in looking better than and being stonger than all.if I feel I can give someone some sound advise,than I damb well do it.. later.. MAN_OF_STEEL PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING YOUR BODY

[juiceon]

Originally posted by man_of_steel
do the cypionate,deca sus,and d-bol..eat 3,000-5,000 caleries a day,get a minimum of 200 grams of protein,go to the gym 6 days 2 hours a day for 10 - 12 weeks,and you will see an average gain of 20 lbs at least..and if you're as lean as you say,you will be looking like a fucking beast bro.take nolvadex with this system-so you dont get bitch tits,and clomid after your cycle to maintain what you have gained,and it doesnt hurt to take milk thistle and codliver oil to keep the liver damage under control..hope this helps you dude..it worked for me.. MAN_OF_STEEL

Sorry if I offended you, but nothing in my post was directed at you or your advice. I just think it's helpful to provide some background in any response.

In any event, your post sounds much more like an instruction manual than an "OPINION." If you take the time to re-read my post, I merely provided a basis upon which cfo could judge my advice. I really can't believe I am wasting time with this, but your last post is out of line and actually self-contradictory. If you want to disagree with the merits of my post, that I will accept and respect. But don't get all hot and bothered just because I didn't write "do it just like steel said." In the end, everyone will make up their own minds - this is not a debate.

[Mike]

Ok first off yes your body could handle 400/500 for 8wks - secondly - none of this 'debate' is relevant - i dont think you should be doing ANY cycle. When and if you need juice - start on a sus500 cycle of possible deca/sus - in any case - at 5'10' I think you need to get to ATLEAST 170 before cyclying - take creatine etc - but you are way to small to juice

M

[man_of_steel]

everyones points are well taken..juiceon,I'm not getting all hot and bothered.I'm not here to make enemies,so sorry if I came off that way.cfoland-dude,what mike said is probably not a bad idea.I can totally understand that you want to get big,but you should probably keep working out for another 6 months-year superhard before you look to getting on the juice.but whatever you do be careful and good luck in your quest of fitness....MAN_OF_STEEL

[cfoland]

Thanks Guys.