I need/want a handgun

[GQ-Bouncer]

my friend is in the army, and he said that one of the guys in his squad was shooting his m16, and a bullet didn't go off when he pulled the trigger, so this genious takes out the bullet and starts hitting the back of it with a rock

wtf? what army? michigen militia?

it means there's a faulty primer on the round, pull down on the magazine so to ensure it's in it's carrage, cock the weapon and fire.

that couldn't of happened on a military range, the RSO (range safety officer) would've had a heart attack & probably ended up losing it and kill the poor misguided troop.

[brewerpi]

All of my experience is through range-time & theory. What range did the 9mm hit you? how did this happen? what kind of armour did you have on? what happened to you after you were shot? were you not incapacitated?

I have a very, very difficult time believe that a 9mm round hitting to the centre of mass would not incapacitate someone (w/o armour), you wouldn't agree?

This happened in Panama. I was shot from behind, about 8 feet away, turned and was hit two more times.I was not incapacitated, as I stated I was able to return fire. The armor was manufactured by T.G. Faust Inc.

As to wether or not a 9mm round center mass would incapacitate someone w/o armor, I have only my experience of being hit in the belly and not being out of the fight.The definition of Incapacitate is that the target is down, out of the fight, bleeding out, no longer a threat. The bottom line is that if the bullet doesn't hit anything important a person can still function.

[Tren Bull]

that couldn't of happened on a military range, the RSO (range safety officer) would've had a heart attack & probably ended up losing it and kill the poor misguided troop.

unless this guy is lying to me, then this did happen. apparently the guy in charge flipped the fu_k out at the guy that did it (which is understandable)

[GQ-Bouncer]

This happened in Panama. I was shot from behind, about 8 feet away, turned and was hit two more times.I was not incapacitated, as I stated I was able to return fire. The armor was manufactured by T.G. Faust Inc.

As to wether or not a 9mm round center mass would incapacitate someone w/o armor, I have only my experience of being hit in the belly and not being out of the fight.The definition of Incapacitate is that the target is down, out of the fight, bleeding out, no longer a threat. The bottom line is that if the bullet doesn't hit anything important a person can still function.

holy $hit dude...
sorry to be a dork, but this sorta stuff is really intresting to me

did the round penetrate your armour? if it missed your armour, did it go through or stay in your body?

I use the word "incapacitate" a little liberally, a friend of mine sold drugs in Seattle once, one day after comming out of a nightclub, his "boss" was shot at by some banger with at .380 auto (a round smaller than the 9mm for those who dont know). the round hit him in the meat of the pectoral, luckily it didnt puncture his lung, he believes it was due to the distance from the shooter. However, he told me, that he at first, only felt the pinch of the bullet, after a moment he noticed he couldn't move any of his upper right half of the body - subsequently realizing he had been shot, he quickly began freaking out and began feeling the symptoms of shock. (he was rushed to hospital and the rest his menial)

This guy is a relatively normal person,
So when i say "incapacitate" i mean a normal human being, or undisciplined combatant, it has been well noted that seasoned soldiers, in a few extreme cases, will continue fighting even while critically & horrifically wounded (On Killing - Col. Dave Grossman)

[GQ-Bouncer]

unless this guy is lying to me, then this did happen. apparently the guy in charge flipped the fu_k out at the guy that did it (which is understandable)

LOL yah, the guy would get fvckin charged for sure (being charged in the military btw, is the equivalent to getting a speeding ticket - so not a HUGE deal)

[scriptfactory]

wtf?

explain to me, just how the fvck someone gets shot at a military range and doesnt know about it? Have you ever been on a military range? those people are freakin Nazi's when it comes to wpn safety.

Of course the dude knew he was shot. Everyone was yelling at everyone to holster their weapons and there was a bunch of screaming and yelling! I mean, someone isn't going to get shot and not feel it at all. That's just how we tell the story because it is funnier, but for real he said he didn't really notice it at first.

BTW, I was a medic in the military. I've been to hundreds of ranges, literally.

[brewerpi]

[QUOTE=GQ-Bouncer]holy $hit dude...
sorry to be a dork, but this sorta stuff is really intresting to me

did the round penetrate your armour? if it missed your armour, did it go through or stay in your body?

The two rounds that hit me in the back, lodged in the armor. The first shot that hit me as I turned went in just above my belt buckle, just below the armor and worked it's way sideways and ended up just below my rib cage. The second shot came from the side and hit in the upper chest (the vest I had in 89 didn't have the neck guards like the current armor) In between the shot that went in my belly and the chest shot I fired a 3 round burst (actually my first 3 round burst and his last shot were probably fired at the same time) then after the chest shot I fell backwards in to a wall and fired two more 3 round bursts. Then it was over.

[omnipotent]

i have a colt (.45) .. H&k (9mm) .. and a Bennelii (22LR.)

they are all really nice , i dont have a favorite .

[NotSmall]

in 2003, Britian had 70 gun deaths..

In 2002, there were 30,242 gun deaths in the U.S:
17,108 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths),
11,829 homicides (39% of all U.S gun deaths),
762 unintentional shootings (3% of all U.S gun deaths),
and 300 from legal intervention and 243 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).

(http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm)

sorta blows the shit out of your whole "guns prevent murder" theory eh?

Good stats GQ

Well not so good if you live in the US I guess

[Tren Bull]

Good stats GQ

Well not so good if you live in the US I guess

its all good, im not afraid of getting shot... hell, the fool would be doing me a favor as long as he killed me

[NotSmall]

its all good, im not afraid of getting shot... hell, the fool would be doing me a favor as long as he killed me

WOW, YOU'RE C C C CRAZEEE!

[Tren Bull]

WOW, YOU'RE C C C CRAZEEE!

technically i am legally insane

[Tren Bull]

but i think it would be more accurate to call me self destructive

[NotSmall]

technically i am legally insane

How colorful of you!

[Tren Bull]

How colorful of you!

no, its true, i did quite alot of a certain type of drug when i was younger that had a significant effect on my brain. i still halucinate from that sh_t, and i havent done it in years

[spencer]

no, its true, i did quite alot of a certain type of drug when i was younger that had a significant effect on my brain. i still halucinate from that sh_t, and i havent done it in years

knew u'd b in the gun thread

[NotSmall]

no, its true, i did quite alot of a certain type of drug when i was younger that had a significant effect on my brain. i still halucinate from that sh_t, and i havent done it in years

And you own guns?
You seem strangely proud of the fact fact that you have fucked your own head up, if you genuinely still hallucinate then you would have the associated paranoia as well and should not be in posession of guns.

[Tren Bull]

And you own guns?
You seem strangely proud of the fact fact that you have fucked your own head up, if you genuinely still hallucinate then you would have the associated paranoia as well and should not be in posession of guns.

yea isnt it cool? im fu_kin crazy and i own 4 legit firearms

[Tren Bull]

knew u'd b in the gun thread

you know me bro, im straight gun crazed

[Tren Bull]

And you own guns?
You seem strangely proud of the fact fact that you have fucked your own head up, if you genuinely still hallucinate then you would have the associated paranoia as well and should not be in posession of guns.

actually no, im not proud of that fact. i used to be, until i grew up and realized that i need my brain. btw, its difficult to tell if my thought process is affected, occasionally my vision is, but i feel fine. for what its worth, ive never done anything bad... well, not anything really bad

[NotSmall]

actually no, im not proud of that fact. i used to be, until i grew up and realized that i need my brain. btw, its difficult to tell if my thought process is affected, occasionally my vision is, but i feel fine. for what its worth, ive never done anything bad... well, not anything really bad

Yes you sound particularly grown up here:

yea isnt it cool? im fu_kin crazy and i own 4 legit firearms

[Tren Bull]

i was joking bro

[NotSmall]

i was joking bro

So you're not loco after all?

[Tren Bull]

So you're not loco after all?

no, im very much in control of my actions

[NotSmall]

no, im very much in control of my actions

I understand, you were just trying to make your internet persona more interesting, well sorry but one of my best friends was institutionalised through recreational drug use so I don't find it overly amusing.

[Tren Bull]

I understand, you were just trying to make your internet persona more interesting, well sorry but one of my best friends was institutionalised through recreational drug use so I don't find it overly amusing.

i dont find that amusing either. i was just being honest with you

[NotSmall]

i was just being honest with you

At which point?

Bored of this now - off to do my cardio.

[Tren Bull]

At which point?

when i said i am legally insane. that is technically the truth

[Tren Bull]

I understand, you were just trying to make your internet persona more interesting, well sorry but one of my best friends was institutionalised through recreational drug use so I don't find it overly amusing.

im very sorry about your friend, but there is no need for you to be rude to me cause of it

[Tren Bull]

i was not trying to poke fun at the subject

[Tren Bull]

oh and by the way, i was not joking when i said i am self destructive. why the fu_k do you think i chose this avatar? to be funny? to be cute??? fu_k that. i chose it cause it accurately depicts my attitude toward my own life.. that is not a joke, dont think for a second that it is supposed to be cause its not

[Tren Bull]

i was also not joking when i said that some fool would be doing me a favor by killing me. do you have any idea how many times i got so close to killing myself that i held my glock to my head? the ONLY thing that stopped me is not wanting to be remembered as the guy that shot himself. but if someone else were to do it for me, id go out like a fu_king soldier, not a nutcase.

[NotSmall]

No hard feelings dude.

If you genuinely feel the way you have decribed then I suggest you get some counselling and I would also suggest that until you're in a better state of mind you avoid steroid use completely as it will do nothing but detract from your stability.

Take care bro.

[GQ-Bouncer]

i was also not joking when i said that some fool would be doing me a favor by killing me. do you have any idea how many times i got so close to killing myself that i held my glock to my head? the ONLY thing that stopped me is not wanting to be remembered as the guy that shot himself. but if someone else were to do it for me, id go out like a fu_king soldier, not a nutcase.

nah, you'd be hurting society by killing yourself,

Definetly the AR board anyways

k, i'm pretty well done posting on this thread - peace out nigz's

[goodcents]

im confused. what is there to learn about a .45 that you dont need to learn about any other caliber? also, i was under the impression that what determines whether a gun will jam or not is the type of gun you are using, not the caliber.

My fault, didn't add enough info, meant 1911 platform autos, they need to be adjusted and throated (smooth up feed ramp) to work right. You have the best one with your glock Glock is hands down the most reliable pistol made ( you should see the books I have showing them being dumped in acid, shot out of a cannon, etc. and still working.

[decadbal]

why didnt you pop a cap in his azz tommy

[Tren Bull]

My fault, didn't add enough info, meant 1911 platform autos, they need to be adjusted and throated (smooth up feed ramp) to work right. You have the best one with your glock Glock is hands down the most reliable pistol made ( you should see the books I have showing them being dumped in acid, shot out of a cannon, etc. and still working.

yea, its crazy how reliable glocks are. i read an article in a gun magazine about some guy that bought one of the first glock 17s, and hes been trying to break it for over ten years. he froze it, put sand all inside it, submerged it in water and never cleaned it, but its still working perfectly.

[decadbal]

hour and a half

[Tren Bull]

why didnt you pop a cap in his azz tommy

who is tommy?

[decadbal]

hes turkishs best friend