This is what jails should be like!!!!!

[Kärnfysikern]

How can you say that a person who sells crack cocaine (even to over 18yr olds) isn't hurting anyone. Recreational drugs are ADDICTIVE and people who get addicted soon find they have to commit crimes to supply their habit. This is why the drug dealers should be jailed.

Well what about those that sell tobacco? Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs in existance and it hurts far more people than any rec drug. What about liqour stores?

Only a small amount of users gets addicted anyway so imo legalise it all.
Telling rec drug users that drugs is wrong is just like telling juicers steroids are wrong. No one have the right to tell me, you or anyone what they can or can not put there body through.

Trust me I've lived in some of the worst areas in London (Hackney and Brixton!!!) and I have seen first hand the misery these addictive drugs cause and the violence that drug dealers dish out to keep their "pitch". Perhaps if you'd experienced some of the sh*t I have your views on punishment would be slightly more victim orientated as opposed to criminal orientated.

Well drug addicts and drug dealers that do crime should be punished just like clean people doing those crimes. The laws regarding violent crimes are enough. We need no drug laws. My views are criminal orientated because I am a criminal since I use steroids.

I know plenty of people that have ****ed themself with drugs and my father is a alcoholic so I am very familiar with the downsides of addictive drugs. But poiting the blame on drugdealers is like blaming car dealers for reckless driving. The blame is always on the person using the drug. Nothing else.

I agree there is a discrepancy in the sale of alcohol and tobacco but that's the law of the land and our discussion is about sentencing attitudes/ideologies.

S

Well my point is just that if we have sentances for drug crimes those same sentances should include tobacco or alcohole.

How about a system that is fair and just on the innocent, the victims of crime and the law abiding??? or don't we matter???

The system is fair to innocents and law abiding already. If you follow the law you dont get any punishmet. How can it be any more fair than that??
The laws you are suposed to follow is shit though.
The system is shitty when it comes to victims in the sense that you can get alot of shit for just defending yourself.

I dont se the law system as something that should grant vengance to victims. Vengance is not justice.
If you do a crime that makes you a clear danger to the public. Like a violent crime of any nature you should get locked up in gulag style work camps. You give up your right to be a free man when you try to intrude on the freedom of others.

If you comit a victimless crime or a non agressive crime there is no reason to lock you up since that is only a drain on the economy.