i understand your point about the benefits of ephedrine, however i dont think that the fact that it over works your heart is a fair trade off for its effects on fat loss. You might get what you want faster, but the long term effects are too questionable and serious to me. Basically, i was hoping for some responses on either alternative methods, or personal reviews of the ephedrine free. By the way ive tried hydroxy cut and it was nothing compared to the "get up and go" effects of stacker, what do you find beneficial about using it?Originally Posted by decadbal