I respect alot of the guys here because theyre huge with or without steroids but some of the uys im ashame of. I've been working out for like a year and a bit and im bigger than some of the guys who do cycles and im 19 and have crap genetics for bodybuilding. Also many of the guys have been out of bodybuilding for a long time and have gotten way out of shape and before trying it natural and using muscle memory to do some stuff they jump on the joice right away. I definetly think juice is overused but most of the main guys here have been working out along time and have reached there maxes. And them I respect.