Dbal??

[IronAdam]

No, its in pill for or oral liquid (VPX). Winny alone is just as bad as Dbol alone. 21 is the age that most people consider safe. But if you were 20 and had been lifting for 5 years and had your diet down to a science there isn't much difference from being 21.

If you don't have your sh*t together before you start you're gunna be dissapointed with your results. You need to be in great physical shape, mentally healthy (no depression, g/f probs, fam. probs etc), have your finances in order, then piece together your WHOLE cycle and PCT then you can think about starting.

And like everyone else said your bro may know alot, but it doesn't hurt to confirm it with your own research.

Goodluck bro

[ripped4fsu]

Winny alone is just as bad as Dbol alone.

I have to disagree with you on this one bro... the result of a Dbol only cycle is pretty much a lot of puffy water filled muscles, which anyone will tell you is almost impossible to keep. with winny yes the gains are smaller, but they are quality gains of real muscle. my first cycle was winny only and I gained 15lbs, 10lbs of which I kept. try keeping 2/3's of your gains on bdol only... aint gonna happen. but the BEST thing to do IMO is base any cycle with 500-1000mg EW of TEST... use the Dbol to front load, winny at the end to cut up a little... and maybe throw in some Deca or EQ for added strength...

~R

[IronAdam]

I have to disagree with you on this one bro... the result of a Dbol only cycle is pretty much a lot of puffy water filled muscles, which anyone will tell you is almost impossible to keep. with winny yes the gains are smaller, but they are quality gains of real muscle. my first cycle was winny only and I gained 15lbs, 10lbs of which I kept. try keeping 2/3's of your gains on bdol only... aint gonna happen. but the BEST thing to do IMO is base any cycle with 500-1000mg EW of TEST... use the Dbol to front load, winny at the end to cut up a little... and maybe throw in some Deca or EQ for added strength...

~R

My bad, shouldn't have said "just as bad". Isn't it bad to do Dbol and Winny in the same cycle because of the stress on your liver?

To the poster: It would do you good to hang out in the diet section till you figure out how your body responds to cutting/bulking. There are alot of smart guys there that wil help you out.

[ripped4fsu]

Isn't it bad to do Dbol and Winny in the same cycle because of the stress on your liver?

good point, let me clarify. I front load with Dbol for 4 weeks. then run the winny the last 6wks of my cycle, so there is ample time in between for my liver to recover. plus I take 1400mg ED of milk thistle when on.
I agree that it is not a good idea to run two 17aa steriods at the same time... or for extended periods of time for the matter...

~R