Tren/test vs. Deca/test stack

[Mr. Sparkle]

Cool thing about tren is if the sides suck to bad drop it... I mean its out so fast. I really think you should really look into tren...

[BASK8KACE]

Cool thing about tren is if the sides suck to bad drop it... I mean its out so fast. I really think you should really look into tren...

True--another good point. I'm definitely swayable at this point, but leaning heavily toward the basics.

That's why I wanted to "think out loud" in this thread to see what others have to say about it.

[JohnDoe1234]

All this talk of tren and kidney damage is nonsense. It is an urban myth in the steriod circle. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ht=Tren+Kidney

[BASK8KACE]

All this talk of tren and kidney damage is nonsense. It is an urban myth in the steriod circle. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ht=Tren+Kidney

JohnDoe1234,

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this side effects (including kidney damage) as an urban myth.

When something is not true or not fully proven, one will often find many contradictory bits of information on the subject. The drug profiles on many different board tend to disband myths or challenge possible misinformation. This doesn't seem to be the case with kidney damage as a result of Tren. Remember kidney damage is not listed as a definite side-effect, it is listed as a possible side effect.

One thing I find interesting is that some write ups mention that after the original fina was no longer produced, the chances of getting real, pure tren on the black market dropped to approximately 5%. I'm not a home brew guru, so I don't know how close the homemade tren is to the origninal fina.

Anyway, if you have not have experienced any sides, from Tren, then that's excellent. But do not confuse your personal experience with what is definite for all others, because steroids affect each person differently.

[JohnDoe1234]

JohnDoe1234,

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this side effects (including kidney damage) as an urban myth.

When something is not true or not fully proven, one will often find many contradictory bits of information on the subject. The drug profiles on many different board tend to disband myths or challenge possible misinformation. This doesn't seem to be the case with kidney damage as a result of Tren. Remember kidney damage is not listed as a definite side-effect, it is listed as a possible side effect.

One thing I find interesting is that some write ups mention that after the original fina was no longer produced, the chances of getting real, pure tren on the black market dropped to approximately 5%. I'm not a home brew guru, so I don't know how close the homemade tren is to the origninal fina.

Anyway, if you have not have experienced any sides, from Tren, then that's excellent. But do not confuse your personal experience with what is definite for all others, because steroids affect each person differently.

If you want a real good evalution of the validity of Tren Kidney damage then ask Pheedno. I was looking for some of his post on the subject, but couldnt find them. Also I have know many people personally that used Tren, and they also never had any complaints about Kidney pain. In all honesty if you ask any of the Vets or Mod's that are knowledgeable on the subject, I dont think you will find a single one that believes that Tren is kidney Toxic. Also it really doesn't make sense that it would be. Why would it damage Kidneys more than any other steriod?, it does not cointain any substance that places any more stress on Kidney function, than any other steriod.

[BASK8KACE]

If you want a real good evalution of the validity of Tren Kidney damage then ask Pheedno. I was looking for some of his post on the subject, but couldnt find them. Also I have know many people personally that used Tren, and they also never had any complaints about Kidney pain. In all honesty if you ask any of the Vets or Mod's that are knowledgeable on the subject, I dont think you will find a single one that believes that Tren is kidney Toxic. Also it really doesn't make sense that it would be. Why would it damage Kidneys more than any other steriod?, it does not cointain any substance that places any more stress on Kidney function, than any other steriod.

JohnDoe1234,

The absence of information does not validate your point. The reason many of us turn to boards like this, other than comraderie, is to gather information on steroids for which there is little if any reputable, large scale research on the way we use steroids.

For now, until I read reputable comments to the contrary, I'll still be wary about Tren causing kidney damage.

I personally have not experienced many of the side effects for certain drugs, but it doesn't mean the possibility does not exist.

Yes, there's a possiblity that there is truth to what you say, but I am always hard pressed to believe information when it is presented to me without support. If you read through my posts, you'll find that I prefer to err on the side of caution. Although I have not yet completely elimiminated using Tren as a possibity, the kidney side effects, along with many other things already mentioned weigh heavily against it.

If you are able to supply concrete information, then I'd be glad to consider your point of view as valid. But without any support for or against the existence of that side effect, I'll err on the side of caution and believe that it is a possibility.