"And administering exogenous androgens without using testosterone (what your body is most accustomed to - everything else is simply a derivative of testosterone) is not smart practice."

I realise what you are saying here, but I have been reading winny and primo don;t shut down the testicular axis. See this is where my research gets confused.

Also where does one obtain clomid? is this a presciption, available over the counter, or a underground source. And you don;t mention nolva? Is the clomid enough? Or is nolva for use with other roids?

The aim of my cycle is to keep my size, and get leaner, and hoepfully put on some lean muscle if i can. If it helps me to cut and maintain size i will be happy.