check out my silly idea (all constructive flames welcome)

[justaname]

The reason those proposed cycles wont work is all the benifits of steroids that occur doesnt happen from day one. Injectables dont take a long time to kick in because of the esters. It takes a while for your body to first adapt to the drug. ANd then its a consistant use that provides the benifit. Here are some things that steroids enhance.

Enhanced protein synthesis

Enhanced growth factor activity (e.g. GH, IGF-1, etc.)

Enhanced activation of myogenic stem cells (i.e. satellite cells)

Enhanced myonuclear number (to maintain nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio)

New myofiber formation

maintaining a positive Nitrogen Balance.

These are not things that happen immediately.

First of of let me say thank you this is the type of thoughful intelligent response I have been hoping for.
Now then....I am aware of all of these things and I have read the article you posted and many others like it. I understand what you are saying about the effects not happening immediatly. It certainly makes sense but I have not seen anything documented that deals with the subject at least not directly. THings I have read about anabolic androgenic ratios of different drugs talks about how they came to the documented ratios of different drugs and that method being they would give a single dosage of a given drug then measure the effect on skelatal muscle size compared to the effect on androgen sensative tissues like the prostate. There was an effect after a single administration of all drugs but the longer acting drugs had a better ratio. The drugs with te shortest half lives if given in small divided dosages give the same effect as the longer lasting esters. So in a way this supports both sides of our argument. I think it may be entirly possible that the effects you listed happen very quikly but the effects are cummulative and untill you reach a certain point in the accumulation you dont notice gains. I know from my own experience with fast acting drugs like tren dbol and winstrol that I notice a difference after only a couple of days. It is not a measurable gain however or not a gain that is outside the normal margin of fluctuation for wieght and size measurments at least. But a definate difference in muscle "feel" and especially with tren a difference in the apparent hardness of musculature.
So if the the gains are cumulative in such a way then spacing those building blocks out over a longer period of time should still add up to something.
I look forward to your response.

[yowhatupU]

As you said the half life of winstrol is 9 hours, you never said how much you would be taking, but I'll assume 40-50 mg. Half life means half of what you took is gone. So after 48 hours you would have around 10 mg of winstrol running through your system. 10 mg is definetly enough to keep your gonad production to close to nothing. The following day your gonads might kick into production, but by the time they start to get any testosterone built there going to be shut down again with winstrol. Eventually your gonads would just shrivel up raisen style from doing this. And you would in affect just be running off the steroids you had given yourself, which was pretty minimal. In essence with your dosing you would have a low dose roller coaster 6 month cycle that would shut down your HPTA system and not give you very good gains. Eventually when you came off of them your test would be down to 0 and you would probably loose all of the mass you gained.
I have to admit your idea is very interesting, and I've thought about it. But it is just not a good one in the long run.

[SS1476]

As you said the half life of winstrol is 9 hours, you never said how much you would be taking, but I'll assume 40-50 mg. Half life means half of what you took is gone. So after 48 hours you would have around 10 mg of winstrol running through your system. 10 mg is definetly enough to keep your gonad production to close to nothing. The following day your gonads might kick into production, but by the time they start to get any testosterone built there going to be shut down again with winstrol. Eventually your gonads would just shrivel up raisen style from doing this. And you would in affect just be running off the steroids you had given yourself, which was pretty minimal. In essence with your dosing you would have a low dose roller coaster 6 month cycle that would shut down your HPTA system and not give you very good gains. Eventually when you came off of them your test would be down to 0 and you would probably loose all of the mass you gained.
I have to admit your idea is very interesting, and I've thought about it. But it is just not a good one in the long run.

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I dont mean to interupt...but this thread is
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I started reading this..and realized I have read it before...lol