Hey!! CHECK THIS GUY OUT!!(movie)

[inevitable]

I think SVC has learned that AR.com is like heroin...just can't get away from it. The time I have spent on here...I could have had the deck in my backyard completed. Haha.

It's an awesome board Todd. I would truly hope that you can now respect the amount of info on here...and possibly let people who are determined to use AS know about AR and its awesome members. I mean if they have their mind set and you cannot change it...why not direct them to the helping hand of AR. I know it's against your beliefs...but IMHO turning your back to them could potentially cause more harm than good.



Just a thought.

Agreed.

[SVC]

Agreed.

If someone is going to use juice no matter what:

1) take Milk Thistle (silymarin) all the way through your cycle (regenerates your liver).
2) take HCG all the way through your cycle.
3) 20 mgs of Nolva per day - 10mg then 10mg
4) get off between cycles to allow your body to normalize itself and clean out your receptor sites.
5) Drink tons of distilled water
6) Avoid toxic orals like A50, Halo, & D-bol (orals are broken down immediately - inj's are broken down more slowly - less strain on your liver - and much more utilization
7) Take 1 androgen & 2 anabolics. Start with the androgen and then add the anabolics one at a time weeks later
8) More isn't better, you'll become a toxic waste dump
9) train each body part once a week
10) train abs & calves every day (all red muscle fiber) at the end of your workout

[Decakur]

bro why take hcg every day through the whole cycle?
20mg sounds alot, 10mg sounds more ok..

[SVC]

bro why take hcg every day through the whole cycle?
20mg sounds alot, 10mg sounds more ok..

Because then your natural test never shuts down and the nolva prevents aromatization, the half life of nolva is extremely short, if you take 10, take it mid day.

[Money Boss Hustla]

and the nolva prevents aromatization,

No it does not. Nolva stops estrogen from binding to the breast receptors. Arimidex stop aromatization.

[Decakur]

i still can not figure out why a man should take hcg ED.
it ****ing gives you BT if your unlucky..

[Money Boss Hustla]

If someone is going to use juice no matter what:

1) take Milk Thistle (silymarin) all the way through your cycle (regenerates your liver).
2) take HCG all the way through your cycle.
3) 20 mgs of Nolva per day - 10mg then 10mg
4) get off between cycles to allow your body to normalize itself and clean out your receptor sites.
5) Drink tons of distilled water
6) Avoid toxic orals like A50, Halo, & D-bol (orals are broken down immediately - inj's are broken down more slowly - less strain on your liver - and much more utilization
7) Take 1 androgen & 2 anabolics. Start with the androgen and then add the anabolics one at a time weeks later
8) More isn't better, you'll become a toxic waste dump
9) train each body part once a week
10) train abs & calves every day (all red muscle fiber) at the end of your workout

I would still hope you can respect this board enough to pass it along if someone is determind to use AS. Please help them either way they go k.

[Money Boss Hustla]

If someone is going to use juice no matter what:

1) take Milk Thistle (silymarin) all the way through your cycle (regenerates your liver).
2) take HCG all the way through your cycle.
3) 20 mgs of Nolva per day - 10mg then 10mg
4) get off between cycles to allow your body to normalize itself and clean out your receptor sites.
5) Drink tons of distilled water
6) Avoid toxic orals like A50, Halo, & D-bol (orals are broken down immediately - inj's are broken down more slowly - less strain on your liver - and much more utilization
7) Take 1 androgen & 2 anabolics. Start with the androgen and then add the anabolics one at a time weeks later
8) More isn't better, you'll become a toxic waste dump
9) train each body part once a week
10) train abs & calves every day (all red muscle fiber) at the end of your workout

I can tell you right now...you're going to get picked apart on some of these (2,3,5,6,7)

[SVC]

I can tell you right now...you're going to get picked apart on some of these (2,3,5,6,7)

Please explain...

[Money Boss Hustla]

Please explain...

2. HCG shouldn't be used until mid to end of cycle where atrophy appears.
3. Ndex is an individual thing. Some people like runing arimidex. Some people don't need 20mg ED.
5. Distilled water can take minerals out of your body.
6. Avoid versus moderation. Orals are okay if taken in moderation.
7. Too old school.

[SVC]

2. HCG shouldn't be used until mid to end of cycle where atrophy appears.
3. Ndex is an individual thing. Some people like runing arimidex. Some people don't need 20mg ED.
5. Distilled water can take minerals out of your body.
6. Avoid versus moderation. Orals are okay if taken in moderation.
7. Too old school.

If you don't take HCG, once you body spots any extra test in stops making it. If you take HCG it never stops making it.

Arimidex does the same

That is the oldest falicy in the world. Distilled water leaches out INORGANIC MINERALS & METALS not "ORGANIC MINERALS" distilled water is the cleanest, purest water you can drink. Trust me, research it.

TOXIC ORALS make many, many people sick. They make them nausious so they're unable too eat enough to grow. They also make your SGOTs shoot to the moon. I'M REALLY SURPRISED YOU THINK THEY'RE OK

[Money Boss Hustla]

If you don't take HCG, once you body spots any extra test in stops making it. If you take HCG it never stops making it.

Arimidex does the same

That is the oldest falicy in the world. Distilled water leaches out INORGANIC MINERALS & METALS not "ORGANIC MINERALS" distilled water is the cleanest, purest water you can drink. Trust me, research it.

TOXIC ORALS make many, many people sick. They make them nausious so they're unable too eat enough to grow. They also make your SGOTs shoot to the moon. I'M REALLY SURPRISED YOU THINK THEY'RE OK

We're going to have to agree to disagree then.

[billy_ba]

minerals=inorganic material.

I have a feeling this is going to get ugly, SVC dosent seem to know half of what he preeches.

That is the oldest falicy in the world. Distilled water leaches out INORGANIC MINERALS & METALS not "ORGANIC MINERALS" distilled water is the cleanest, purest water you can drink. Trust me, research it.

[Decakur]

If you don't take HCG, once you body spots any extra test in stops making it. If you take HCG it never stops making it.

and thats the truth?!? anybody?

SVC did you ever have any problems with your dick or balls?

[*Narkissos*]

If you take HCG it never stops making it.

I call BS on that

Long-term HCG administration leads to testosterone suppression...

Wish i had Big K.l.g.'s 2003 nursing handbook

http://www.emea.eu.int/humandocs/ PD.../297998en6.pdf

For pituitary down regulation, chronic administration of these agonists results in a desensitisation(down regulation) of pituitary receptors and inhibition of gonadotropin and sex steroid secretionleading to a selective medical hypophysectomy and a so-called chemical castration.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=8311515
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ract/62/6/1184

[inevitable]

Please explain...

opinions....

like i don't agree with taking hcg everday of my cycle.. i take it the last 5 weeks.

[johnsomebody]

If someone is going to use juice no matter what:

1) take Milk Thistle (silymarin) all the way through your cycle (regenerates your liver).
2) take HCG all the way through your cycle.
3) 20 mgs of Nolva per day - 10mg then 10mg
4) get off between cycles to allow your body to normalize itself and clean out your receptor sites.
5) Drink tons of distilled water
6) Avoid toxic orals like A50, Halo, & D-bol (orals are broken down immediately - inj's are broken down more slowly - less strain on your liver - and much more utilization
7) Take 1 androgen & 2 anabolics. Start with the androgen and then add the anabolics one at a time weeks later
8) More isn't better, you'll become a toxic waste dump
9) train each body part once a week
10) train abs & calves every day (all red muscle fiber) at the end of your workout

Personally I think this is some of the best advice I’ve ever seen in one post in the three or so years I’ve been at AR. Thanks for making it SVC and thanks also for sticking around and taking part in the discussion. I hope you stay and keep contributing.

[SVC]

Personally I think this is some of the best advice I’ve ever seen in one post in the three or so years I’ve been at AR. Thanks for making it SVC and thanks also for sticking around and taking part in the discussion. I hope you stay and keep contributing.

Thanks man! It's "DaGanci Code", finally another "outside the box" thinker who isn't just regurgitating quotes from the next Dan Duchaine (a.k.a. soon to be worm food) juice pushing author...

[BajanBastard]

[QUOTE=SVC]If someone is going to use juice no matter what:

1) take Milk Thistle (silymarin) all the way through your cycle (regenerates your liver).

2) take HCG all the way through your cycle.

Why? HCG is used during longer (15+ weeks) cycles to combat testicular atrophy.

3) 20 mgs of Nolva per day - 10mg then 10mg

Over kill IMO 10 mg is fine

4) get off between cycles to allow your body to normalize itself and clean out your receptor sites.

Your body does not need to "clean out" the AR, ARs are used and replenished. In fact androgens with weights UPREGULATE AR concentrations.

5) Drink tons of distilled water

Water is one of our main sources of minerals. Distilled water is not good for long term use.

6) Avoid toxic orals like A50, Halo, & D-bol (orals are broken down immediately - inj's are broken down more slowly - less strain on your liver - and much more utilization.

I disagree. Your scare statics may work with uneducated teens, not here. The heptatoxicity of oral anabolics is overstated, the drugs can be safely used for several weeks without problems.
7)

Take 1 androgen & 2 anabolics. Start with the androgen and then add the anabolics one at a time weeks later.

Now this is BS. Most steroids are derived from testosterone. Modifications the testosterone molecule changes the binding to the AR and anabolic/androgenic ratios however i don't think you should classify them in two different classes. What about testosterone, trenbolone and nandrolone? Highly anabolic yet quite androgenic. If i followed your advice my cycle would be: Masteron for several weeks, Deca a few weeks later and then Primobolan later?

8) More isn't better, you'll become a toxic waste dump.

A "toxic waste dump"? I do not believe in maga-dosing. Studies show that when testosterone is giving in doses of 50, 100, 300, 600 mg per week, the 600 mg group had the best gains in size and strength with only a slight off set in cholesterol. So yes more is better.

9) train each body part once a week.

Training frequency is highly individual but when "on" i'm sure you should train body parts at least E5D to make use of your enhanced recovery.

10) train abs & calves every day (all red muscle fiber) at the end of your workout

Abs and calves need rest like any other muscle group.

[Money Boss Hustla]

Why? HCG is used during longer (15+ weeks) cycles to combat testicular atrophy.

Over kill IMO 10 mg is fine

Your body does not need to "clean out" the AR, ARs are used and replenished. In fact androgens with weights UPREGULATE AR concentrations.

Water is one of our main sources of minerals. Distilled water is not good for long term use.

I disagree. Your scare statics may work with uneducated teens, not here. The heptatoxicity of oral anabolics is overstated, the drugs can be safely used for several weeks without problems.
7)
Now this is BS. Most steroids are derived from testosterone. Modifications the testosterone molecule changes the binding to the AR and anabolic/androgenic ratios however i don't think you should classify them in two different classes. What about testosterone, trenbolone and nandrolone? Highly anabolic yet quite androgenic. If i followed your advice my cycle would be: Masteron for several weeks, Deca a few weeks later and then Primobolan later?
A "toxic waste dump"? I do not believe in maga-dosing. Studies show that when testosterone is giving in doses of 50, 100, 300, 600 mg per week, the 600 mg group had the best gains in size and strength with only a slight off set in cholesterol. So yes more is better.
Training frequency is highly individual but when "on" i'm sure you should train body parts at least E5D to make use of your enhanced recovery.
Abs and calves need rest like any other muscle group.

Awesome rebuttal!!

[Money Boss Hustla]

hate to say it, but he might actually be right about the HCG protocol. swale has a similar routine. intead of using it to revers atrophy, he uses it throughout the cyle, to prevent atrphy. very small doses.

Most people do 500iu's on Sat on Sun...starting ~mid cycle...not through the whole cycle.

[SVC]

Why? HCG is used during longer (15+ weeks) cycles to combat testicular atrophy.

Over kill IMO 10 mg is fine

Your body does not need to "clean out" the AR, ARs are used and replenished. In fact androgens with weights UPREGULATE AR concentrations.

Water is one of our main sources of minerals. Distilled water is not good for long term use.

I disagree. Your scare statics may work with uneducated teens, not here. The heptatoxicity of oral anabolics is overstated, the drugs can be safely used for several weeks without problems.
7)
Now this is BS. Most steroids are derived from testosterone. Modifications the testosterone molecule changes the binding to the AR and anabolic/androgenic ratios however i don't think you should classify them in two different classes. What about testosterone, trenbolone and nandrolone? Highly anabolic yet quite androgenic. If i followed your advice my cycle would be: Masteron for several weeks, Deca a few weeks later and then Primobolan later?
A "toxic waste dump"? I do not believe in maga-dosing. Studies show that when testosterone is giving in doses of 50, 100, 300, 600 mg per week, the 600 mg group had the best gains in size and strength with only a slight off set in cholesterol. So yes more is better.
Training frequency is highly individual but when "on" i'm sure you should train body parts at least E5D to make use of your enhanced recovery.
Abs and calves need rest like any other muscle group.

Who are you & what are your credentials? If that's you in the back double bi your skin looks like it's about 3 inches thick bro? Your screen name should be George Castanza, "if every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite must be right" "In 10th place from Smoothington... George Castanza"...


QUESTION:
What was wrong with this board last night? When attempting to post something it wouldn't go through and when it did, everything was posted multiple times???

[Money Boss Hustla]

Who are you & what are your credentials? If that's you in the back double bi your skin looks like it's about 3 inches thick bro? Your screen name should be George Castanza, "if every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite must be right" "In 10th place from Smoothington... George Castanza"...


QUESTION:
What was wrong with this board last night? When attempting to post something it wouldn't go through and when it did, everything was posted multiple times???

You're not going to gain more respect by bashing other's photos. You have enough hassles here already. Why pick personal fights? Just my .02

At night I believe the server gets back up. Slows down/halts processing. Only hit the button once...it'll show.

[SVC]

You're not going to gain more respect by bashing other's photos. You have enough hassles here already. Why pick personal fights? Just my .02

At night I believe the server gets back up. Slows down/halts processing. Only hit the button once...it'll show.

I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to observe the attitude and habits of today's "users". Not pretty so far...

[Money Boss Hustla]

I'm not here to make friends.

That's fine...but please stop trying to make enemies. It's not conducive to anyone's learning.

[BajanBastard]

Who are you & what are your credentials? If that's you in the back double bi your skin looks like it's about 3 inches thick bro? Your screen name should be George Castanza, "if every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite must be right" "In 10th place from Smoothington... George Castanza"...


QUESTION:
What was wrong with this board last night? When attempting to post something it wouldn't go through and when it did, everything was posted multiple times???

To be honest. You are very immature for a grown man. Unlike you i'm natural and don't need "13 different injectables" and "200 lb neck raises" to attain the bodybuilding goals i seek. You LOOKED good, i think your mind is stuck in a time warp. I guess you still try to do those 200 lb neck raises huh? Your info is incorrect and you can't stand someone calling you out, I don't need credentials to debunk the old wifes tales you believe are facts. You have insulted Carlos, Narkissos and others, bros who, unlike you know what they are doing and will maintain their body for years to come.

[SVC]

To be honest. You are very immature for a grown man. Unlike you i'm natural and don't need "13 different injectables" and "200 lb neck raises" to attain the bodybuilding goals i seek. You LOOKED good, i think your mind is stuck in a time warp. I guess you still try to do those 200 lb neck raises huh? Your info is incorrect and you can't stand someone calling you out, I don't need credentials to debunk the old wifes tales you believe are facts. You have insulted Carlos, Narkissos and others, bros who, unlike you know what they are doing and will maintain their body for years to come.

Oh, so you're natural? Yet, you get upset when I state that "if you're going to "use" you should use low dosages and avoid toxic orals?

Why is it you all can call me a every name in the book?

When I question your expertise and the way you look, you're all so hurt?

[BajanBastard]

Oh, so you're natural? Yet, you get upset when I state that "if you're going to "use" you should use low dosages and avoid toxic orals?

Why is it you all can call me a every name in the book?

When I question your expertise and the way you look, you're all so hurt?

Show me were i have disrespected in this thread. I stated it was a good move on your part to come and state your side. The point is some of your information is incorrect and you get offended when someone states as such. If someone corrects me on this board i will/do not insult them if i am insure i ask for proof, when i get it i stand corrected. You on the other hand get pissed.

As for your statement about orals you have any data to show me the they are so "toxic"?

I said i do not believe in maga-doseages but 200 mg test per week will not produce as much gains as 400 mg per week. Unless you have a study or two to show me otherwise.

[SVC]

To be honest. You are very immature for a grown man. Unlike you i'm natural and don't need "13 different injectables" and "200 lb neck raises" to attain the bodybuilding goals i seek. You LOOKED good, i think your mind is stuck in a time warp. I guess you still try to do those 200 lb neck raises huh? Your info is incorrect and you can't stand someone calling you out, I don't need credentials to debunk the old wifes tales you believe are facts. You have insulted Carlos, Narkissos and others, bros who, unlike you know what they are doing and will maintain their body for years to come.

Why have you "supposedly" done so much research on AS if you're natural? Planning to use?

SORRY IF I HURT YOUR FEELINGS AND THE FEELINGS OF OTHERS... I FIGURED SINCE YOU ALL ARE SUCH BALL BUSTERS YOU'D BE ABLE TO TAKE A LITTLE RIBBING BACK, BUT APPARENTLY NOT...

[Odin]

To be honest. You are very immature for a grown man. Unlike you i'm natural and don't need "13 different injectables" and "200 lb neck raises" to attain the bodybuilding goals i seek. You LOOKED good, i think your mind is stuck in a time warp. I guess you still try to do those 200 lb neck raises huh? Your info is incorrect and you can't stand someone calling you out, I don't need credentials to debunk the old wifes tales you believe are facts. You have insulted Carlos, Narkissos and others, bros who, unlike you know what they are doing and will maintain their body for years to come.

SVC I think his back holds a lot of water, my muscles and skin hold a lot of water too at the moment, It works two ways, 1 bad, 1 good. The bad way is that your not going to look as good. The good way is holding water prevents injuring which I have never had YET! lifting throught the years, Yeah I cannot even remember a problem at all? I can also toss around some pretty respectable weight too. You naturaly have nice thin skin but on the other note you might be more prone to having dry joints with this natural low water retention. Just a thought? I think about your best advice yet everyone overlooked! You said you ate digestive enzemes with every meal, I think that's really important and I have not did it yet. I'm eating so much dam food on my current bulker and the food is not getting broke down. Just the last few days it's preventing me from eating as much as I would like. Hey why don't you write down a tipical routine you did back in the day, like for chest and legs and back. weight, rep's and time inbetween! Also please hold back the flaming if he does post it. So let's hear the works you did too Duran Duran, Judas priest, and Dire straits.

[SVC]

[QUOTE=MMA]

Who are you & what are your credentials? If that's you in the back double bi your skin looks like it's about 3 inches thick bro? Your screen name should be George Castanza, "if every instinct you have is wrong, the opposite must be right" "In 10th place from Smoothington... George Castanza"...

QUOTE]

lets compare his physique to yours. no not the physique YOU USED TO HAVE, THE PHYSIQUE U HAVE NOW. you lost the right to argue your "results" when your methods were exposed as ignorant and dangerous. i would rather have his body than yours. and his advice too.

I workout twice a week for 10 minutes on a Bandflex bro. Are we comparing apples to apples? Now that I'm 43 I realize "your body" is just a vehicle to carry your mind. I could care less if I'm jacked now... You can bet your last dollar if I wanted to be I could be... I've wasted enough of my life... I'm not the same guy anymore and I don't want to be. I get way more enjoyment out of helping others avoid the mistakes I've made. For real!

[BigMatt]

Who are you & what are your credentials? If that's you in the back double bi your skin looks like it's about 3 inches thick bro? Your screen name should be George Castanza, "

LOL!