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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan2
    M1T is DBOL thats been 5alpha reduced same drug

    M1T cant convert to estrogen so mainly gains are solid and not mostly water.

    4ad or test should always be used for shutdown


    Oral only cycles can work but they require stricter pct because the quicker gains come the quicker that they leave.
    Saying that M1T is Dbol thats been 5alpha reduced so there the same drug is like saying that DHT is the same drug as testosterone, or like saying that methytestosterone is the same drug as methandrostenelone except the C-4 double bond is now accompanied by a C1-2 dboule bond respectively. Its just not that simple. The presence of a double bond can dramatically alter the pharmokenetics of a drug in the body. Bryan I'm not attacking what you say i'm just trying to illustrate that ALL steroids are remarkably similar in structure but their functions are dramatically different.

    I don't know why people insist on counting water gains as part of their Dbol gains. You still make SOLID gains with dbol but you just hold a little more water. This can be easily prevented with some nolva or proviron.

    My point was that BOTH dbol and M1T shut the body's test production down. So the gains of both are equally hard to keep without pct. I just never understood why the same person could be an advocate of an M1T oral only cycle only to turn around and bash Dbol only cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MACHI
    Saying that M1T is Dbol thats been 5alpha reduced so there the same drug is like saying that DHT is the same drug as testosterone, or like saying that methytestosterone is the same drug as methandrostenelone except the C-4 double bond is now accompanied by a C1-2 dboule bond respectively. Its just not that simple. The presence of a double bond can dramatically alter the pharmokenetics of a drug in the body. Bryan I'm not attacking what you say i'm just trying to illustrate that ALL steroids are remarkably similar in structure but their functions are dramatically different.

    I don't know why people insist on counting water gains as part of their Dbol gains. You still make SOLID gains with dbol but you just hold a little more water. This can be easily prevented with some nolva or proviron.

    My point was that BOTH dbol and M1T shut the body's test production down. So the gains of both are equally hard to keep without pct. I just never understood why the same person could be an advocate of an M1T oral only cycle only to turn around and bash Dbol only cycles.

    DHT and test have different functions just like m1t and dbol but essentially they have the same characteristics with rapid weight gain its just M1T is a pure androgen so there shouldnt be any water gainned on cycle (even though there usually is) probably due to remaining dbol in the pills because the process is difficult.

    When you look at it the gains are really the same in terms in LBM after water loss with DBOL with M1T being slightly more anabolic mg for mg


    Test should be the base of every cycle and as I stated the quicker the gains come the quicker they leave.

    Any type of steroid administration can be effective wheter dermal,sublingual,oral,IM its just about getting enough of the active chem in your blood.

    The main reason why IM gains stay longer is they for lack of a better word "solidify" because they are supported by anabolics for a longer period of time before pct.

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