Dbol vs. M1T

[MACHI]

Yes once the substance is 5 alpha reduced it changes its properties and chem structure but 1 test is dihydro boldenone and methylated 1 test= MDHB

It most closely resembles primo but does not act in any way like it other than not converting to estrogen the methyl attachment at the 1 position completley changes the chem properties making it much more mild.

Bryan2 is the only one here thats really making sense. Keep in mind that, as I said in my previous post, most of the steroid chemical structures are **** near identical. That does not mean that their functions in the body are anywhere near the same. If you have any chemistry knowledge at all, you'll know that even the stereoisomer of a molecule can drastically alter its function in the body ie) whether it fits vs. not fits into an enzyme. M1T is much more like Dbol than primo, however, the two drugs are FAR from synonomous.

The original point of this post was to illustrate that Dbol is NO different than M1T when it comes to keeping gains. Many people would knock Dbol only cycles only to turn around and recommend M1T cycles as an alternative. Whether its legal or not, users taking M1T without any PCT would experience the same gain retention drawbacks as users taking Dbol. **** like 6-oxo is nowhere near adequate for PCT. So, in an effort to stay legal, people taking M1T with 6-oxo or zma, or tribulus etc... were far worse off than people taking Dbol with clomid and nolva since we both know that M1T is just as hardcore of an anabolic as Dbol.

Its also not true that the faster gains come the faster they go. No matter how fast LBM was gained it can still be retained provided one's HPTA achieves homeostasis as quickly as possible. The quicker ones baseline test levels are restored after a cycle the more gains the person will keep.

[Bryan2]

Bryan2 is the only one here thats really making sense. Keep in mind that, as I said in my previous post, most of the steroid chemical structures are **** near identical. That does not mean that their functions in the body are anywhere near the same. If you have any chemistry knowledge at all, you'll know that even the stereoisomer of a molecule can drastically alter its function in the body ie) whether it fits vs. not fits into an enzyme. M1T is much more like Dbol than primo, however, the two drugs are FAR from synonomous.

The original point of this post was to illustrate that Dbol is NO different than M1T when it comes to keeping gains. Many people would knock Dbol only cycles only to turn around and recommend M1T cycles as an alternative. Whether its legal or not, users taking M1T without any PCT would experience the same gain retention drawbacks as users taking Dbol. **** like 6-oxo is nowhere near adequate for PCT. So, in an effort to stay legal, people taking M1T with 6-oxo or zma, or tribulus etc... were far worse off than people taking Dbol with clomid and nolva since we both know that M1T is just as hardcore of an anabolic as Dbol.

Its also not true that the faster gains come the faster they go. No matter how fast LBM was gained it can still be retained provided one's HPTA achieves homeostasis as quickly as possible. The quicker ones baseline test levels are restored after a cycle the more gains the person will keep.

Well said...

[Whitey]

The original point of this post was to illustrate that Dbol is NO different than M1T when it comes to keeping gains. Many people would knock Dbol only cycles only to turn around and recommend M1T cycles as an alternative. Whether its legal or not, users taking M1T without any PCT would experience the same gain retention drawbacks as users taking Dbol. **** like 6-oxo is nowhere near adequate for PCT. So, in an effort to stay legal, people taking M1T with 6-oxo or zma, or tribulus etc... were far worse off than people taking Dbol with clomid and nolva since we both know that M1T is just as hardcore of an anabolic as Dbol.

Bro, you make some good points here. Whenever I have given advice regarding M1T, I have treated it as a potent anabolic, and recommended full PCT. Additionally, I have recommended running it with test (if available) or 4-AD (when it was available). Again, as I said above, most people looking to run an M1T cycle do so either because they lack the resources to acquire AAS, or when prohormones were legal, simply wanted to go at this the legal way. Either way, these cycles were less than optimal, and everybody knew it! The best you could do for people is tell them how to run it safely through the use of ancillaries, and how to run proper PCT.

I just don't know where all these people are who are recommending M1t only cycles. I'm sure not one of them. And I don't really consider it hypocritical to criticize d-bol only cycles and not spend equal time criticizing M1T, due to that people could pick up M1T perfectly legally. To add test, they would have to acquire a controlled substance. In essence, it's guys saying, here's what I could get, now how can I make this work? While it's far from optimal, it's at least understandable. I distinguish that situation from d-bol only, where the person has already acquired a controlled substance, and either out of ignorance or fear of needles opted to not pick up the other compounds needed to make a good cycle. You're already in the game, you might as well learn the rules and play it right.

It's all a moot point now, though, because you'll have to acquire M1T illegally now too. So now, I'd agree - there is no difference between M1T only and d-bol only cycles.

[MACHI]

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I just don't know where all these people are who are recommending M1t only cycles. I'm sure not one of them. And I don't really consider it hypocritical to criticize d-bol only cycles and not spend equal time criticizing M1T, due to that people could pick up M1T perfectly legally. To add test, they would have to acquire a controlled substance. In essence, it's guys saying, here's what I could get, now how can I make this work? While it's far from optimal, it's at least understandable. I distinguish that situation from d-bol only, where the person has already acquired a controlled substance, and either out of ignorance or fear of needles opted to not pick up the other compounds needed to make a good cycle. You're already in the game, you might as well learn the rules and play it right.
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Your right thats really what it was. However, given the strong and potentially dangerous nature of both Dbol and M1T, I would have expected knowledgable bros to discourage the use of M1T without proper PCT let alone as an oral only cycle! I mean the 'first time gear user' comes on this board and says 'Hey guys! I just bought some M1T at my local nutrition store! What now?' Then the guys recommend only legal PCT alternatives like 6-oxo, zma, tribulus etc all without giving the noobie really any criticism at all - like they treated M1T as a mild prohormone. Meanwhile, the noobie reads the responses and is like ok M1T is perfectly safe to take as long as I use my 6-oxo etc. He dosn't understand, and no one really ever bothers to tell him, that the OTC PCT products out there are for ****. Then, when this guy crashes after his cycle he has no idea why he looses most of his gains because he was under the impression he did proper PCT. I mean the situation is comparable to someone obtaining alcohol vs. obtaining grandma's cough syrup or the like. (provided alcohol was illegal) Yeah you can get fu cke d up off cough syrup as a legal alternative but that dosn't mean that it should be done or that I'm going to tell you how and at the very least NOT criticize you for doing it! Its just not healthy.... Thats the closest analogy my brain fried mind can come up with right now. Thats all I was trying to say... But your right in the end. its a moot point. Because both M1T and Dbol are illegal now thanks to our friends on capitol hill those old, fat, flabby, high cholesterol havin, out of shape lard asses.

[Whitey]

thanks to our friends on capitol hill those old, fat, flabby, high cholesterol havin, out of shape lard asses.

You forgot "wrinkled" and "sh!it-for-brains"