Check out Big Man from AR in the members pic section. I think he had the right idea.. Cardio, Cardio, Cardio (2x a day 30 and 30 the first 2 months, 45 and 45 the 2nd 2, and 1hr and 1hr last months)... Strict Diet, and hit the gym everyday like a freak. Of course im sure the Clen helps...