I got every single powder from b u l k n u t r i t i o n. c o m except for the ephedrine. I got that through my source. Anyways i spent around $100 at bulknutritio* and another $50 for 10grams of ephedrine. 10g of eph makes 500 pills. So i made 500! I would not add clen to this at all! That would put you overboard.