yeah you could use dnp and clenbutol to cut up winny won't cut you up it makes you harder . now your friend could use eca and do cardio. Like the people on this said good strict diet and lots of cardio for 45min 45 times a week will get you ripped not steroids. I use eca and watch diet and did cardio l listened the people on this board and some of them are very helpful like stayin stacked and tycin and hooker , i went from 275 to 240 in about 4 months . Till your friend to cardio and yes winny is hard on the joints if plays football bad idea risk getting injured.