...to be my advocate...i like that, anyway, all im sayin bro is when that **** is done right it works trust me, and test is a staple for a cycle and a especially fora first cycle...whoever told you straight test fora first is nutz, and also i have to give you props for starting your questions and research a yera befor i wish everyone would do that, trust me in the next year you'll leanr more then you couldof ever imagined.