Quote Originally Posted by hark
ok maddawg.wat do u suggest i take for 8 weeks to get a rock solid body with no or very minimum water retention and still be able to keep the gains after the cycle bro?
well, you are kind of messing yourself up righ tfrom the start for a couple reasons.
First: you don't want to run an 8 week cycle. too short.
second: you are wanting to gain a rock hard body with no water retention and that is pretty hard to do.

IMO... you should run a test cycle. great for a first timer. you will put on some water weight in the beginninfg but not that much. you will definitley get that hard and vascular look you seem to be looking for and most importantly- youwill keep your gains if you run good pct. (chlomid and nolva)
If you are REALLY concerned about the water, you could take nolva through say the second half of your cycle then up for pct at the end. that would help too.
Learn your body bro. nothing gets you big and hard like test will.
In more ways than one too bro.

So, here is my suggestion.
10 week cycle
week 1-10 500 mg/week test enanthate
week 12-14 pct

that is roughly what a decent first time cycle should look like. You will be amazed at your gains if your diet is clean, your workouts are hard and regular and you get your sleep.