thanks bro yeah maybe you have a point I wasnt really looking for feedback just wondering how many other people identify. I am not the kinda person who learns from what other people think I am the person who will learn from my own experience for sure, I can only learn that way. This thread was really good just to see that other people have some similar experiences and that was what it was all about. It seems to be a side of juice that isnt talked about alot and thats what i wanted to do. I will continue with anyhting till it causes me enough negative consequences where I think about that I have to stop. just my thoughts really

peace