okay, thanks guys, I'm definately going to check them out.

My concern with the muscles (such as biceps, etc) that aren't worked primarily is because I have to try very hard for my gains right now (even with primary exercises) in that area and I have a hard time believing that the secondary work in the westside routine will be enough... here is my routine right now > http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...threadid=18125

I make decent gains but gosh they come slow, my 2 week creatine cycles really really help though.