first QV is good one of the best but now for all you guys back like 5-10 yrs ago remember when brovel was the shit ok on that now it sucks due to a loss of a chemist who now works for Petspharma and is one of the best chemist known to anabolic steroids, Petspharma is now the King except on their orals for that note he does only the injectable, ive done the orals but prefer QV orals and Petspharma lnjectables. hope that helps