Quote Originally Posted by savax
Seriously no roids? You don't think i could get more jacked with a cycle or two? I mean, i've always been able to put on muscle pretty easily, naturally. Just seems i've been working so hard and not getting fast enough results...

Peek - thanks for the advice dude, i'll keep that in mind. Was jsut scared of deca from what people are saying (deca dick, worse hairloss, etc) but yeah, that seems more logical.
Sure you get more jacked. If you can gain muscle easily off steroids then stick with it. If you get on roids, you gain about 10-15 lbs of real muscle gain on first cycle then subsequent cycles tend to be more purposeful by regaining what was lost when going off roids and next gains arent as wonderful. Like get 15 lbs first time, 10 lbs next cycle, 8 lbs next cycle, in otherwords real gains diminish unless you are real good at elevating doses and changing chemicals used. There is however a lot of promise using SHBG reducers like tongkat ali. For example I am on a long cycle and my growth slowed way down until I got on Tongkat for the purposes of restoring my sex drive but the side effect was, I started growing again like I am back to week #5 of my cycle.

Just keep in mind, no one is ever happy with just a cycle or two. If thats all you going to do, well you grow like hell on cycle and not at all when you go off cycle, so thats how roid heads get eventually into the habit of cycle after cycle or even just stay on for 6 months at a time to year round. Not a hater here... I got wrapped up in the same thing myself doing 6 monther's at a time, but I'd say I am really getting very very happy with my body after being "on" 15 out of the last 20 months.