Hcg

[JohnnyB]

Yes. Maybe JohnnyB meant to say/should have said that 300 iu is an adequate dose and that dosages above that will further elevate estrogen, which can be an issue in and of its own.

I'ven seen a good few labs in a very good HRT forum and I don't need any studies to tell me that hCG increases estrogen and that the more hCG, the more the hCG increase.

As for using hCG during the cycle, I think I have an easy example of why it is good to use it during the cycle. I've heard from guys that didn't use hCG during the cycle, had their balls atrophy, use hCG after the cycle, and perhaps only one of the two balls popped back. Not many guys want that to happen to them.

Use hCG during the cycle and the leydig cells never shut down. As soon as the body starts sending them LH (during PCT), they are ready to respond. I just don't see much benefit to using hCG at this stage. Usage of hCG certainly isn't likely to help with the HP part of the HPTA during PCT as far as I know.

I'm glad some one sees what I trying to say, without a bias, some times when you're just trying to prove someone wrong, you over look things. The study I posted said that estrogen reached maximum levels at 1500iu, but at 300iu the initial peak was absent, that's all I was saying. The lower the dose the lower possibility of estrogen. If one dose of 1500iu took them to the max levels what would 3000iu do? At that dose you get into desensitizing as well, which isn't good when trying to recover.

That's why I use the 300-500iu every 3-5 day to keep the boys alive during a cycle, instead of trying to bring them back from the died with higher doses. 500iu e3d is what works for me. Maybe hooker could tell us what he uses, when using HCG.

JohnnyB

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I'm glad some one sees what I trying to say, without a bias, some times when you're just trying to prove someone wrong, you over look things.

That's why I use the 300-500iu every 3-5 day to keep the boys alive during a cycle, instead of trying to bring them back from the died with higher doses. 500iu e3d is what works for me. Maybe hooker could tell us what he uses, when using HCG.

JohnnyB

Facts prove ideas and concepts wrong, not other people. The more accurately you describe the truest possible state of affairs in the world is how correct you are, and conversely, the opposite description of same makes you wrong. Unfortunately, incorrect representation of that state of affairs (i.e. the written word), epistemologically also makes you wrong in this forum, even if conceptually or metaphysically you are right.

I'm writing an article on PCT which will include my HCG thoughts for BB4L, and it will probably be done next month. However, my article for MesoRx will go into why Exemestane ought to be used on PCT with HCG and Nolvadex, instead of Arimidex or Letro. However, you can simply read some of that info in my book, although at 350+ pages, the book is a monster already, and clearly I couldn't go into the length I can when writing a single article on a single compound....or the book would be a thousand pages, easily.