I met with my dr the other day about this, and he said back in the day when him and his boys would do it they would use var and dbol in very low doses. LIke 5 mg a day for two weeks, then 10 a day for two more weeks, then 15 mg a day for two weeks, then back down again. Same thing with the var. He said it worked great, no sides, and was cheaper. he also said he wasnt trying to be a bodybuilder or anything so I guess it depernds on what you are looking for. I would also suspect that if you are an experienced user that it might not do much for you.