Not gaining on Test E & Deca!? HELP!

[testosterona]

Well according to the BMR calculator and a "calories burned" calculator regarding my walking, I need almost 4k a day to break even! Damn...I'm about 1500 short of that.

that's crazy, 4000cals to maintain. that can't be right. unless your ronnie!

[liftin4life]

I average 6 1/2 hours of walking PER DAY. I calculated from fitday.com that this burns 1050 cals a day. If this is correct...that plus my normal BMR would be just under 4k. It seemed high to me also...which is why I haven't bumped up my cals yet.

[testosterona]

well, if your not gaining, you might want to start soon. would be a shame to waste your cycle.

[liftin4life]

I'm nearing the end of the 5th week and I'm starting to see some size...but nothing dramatic. I don't really look much bigger IMO. I've had faster results with prohormones like M1T and 4AD. My strength IS going up noticably but even then...could just be diet/training. Maybe it will "kick in" soon and start producing results?

[testosterona]

my strength went crazy around wk 5 of deca and test. hopefully your'll experience the same. good luck

[liftin4life]

Thanks man....hopefully so. If not, I'll have to adjust things.

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Anymore input? Any suggestions?

[BG]

you wont necessarily get fat... it all depends on what you're eating to make up those calories.

so true.Get lots more clean calories, with low carb high protien shakes, up test to 500 and deca to 400, you probably wont see much for another 1.5 weeks.

[liftin4life]

I'm thinking maybe I should have kickstarted my cycle with dbol. Grrr...too late now?.

[Lunacy]

I'm thinking maybe I should have kickstarted my cycle with dbol. Grrr...too late now?.

No, you should have kickstarted it with more food. Eat, Eat, Eat!

[powerliftmike]

I would avoid most weight gainers on the market as they are filled with maltodextrin, which IS going to make you fat as **** (happened to me). Eating a lot of calories does not necessarily mean you will get fat, actually it may rip you up some more, you just have to eat the right foods.

[liftin4life]

I have a good bit of N-Large 2 on hand...that tastes well also and has great stats. Either way..getting the cals clean/dirty is no issue...I just didn't want to risk being a fatass...haha. So...yeah..I'll up my cals and see what happens.

[liftin4life]

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Any more input?

[bell boy]

As much physical activity as you get walking 45 hrs a week, you should easily be able to consume 4500-5000 calories on the days you work and not gain any fat, especially if you are on the sauce. However if your cheat days fall on the same days you have off from work you may consider switching them to a day you do work for the sake of ridding yourself of all those shit calories people tend to eat when they cheat. Also i agree you should be taking at least 500mg of test e and 400mg of deca a week. I dont know who this second friend you mentioned is or where he got his info, but 100mg of test e and 100 mg of deca a week will shut most people down and wont do them a bit of good either. Those low dosages may have worked for him or they may have done him more harm than good, it all depends on the person.

[liftin4life]

As much physical activity as you get walking 45 hrs a week, you should easily be able to consume 4500-5000 calories on the days you work and not gain any fat, especially if you are on the sauce. However if your cheat days fall on the same days you have off from work you may consider switching them to a day you do work for the sake of ridding yourself of all those shit calories people tend to eat when they cheat. Also i agree you should be taking at least 500mg of test e and 400mg of deca a week. I dont know who this second friend you mentioned is or where he got his info, but 100mg of test e and 100 mg of deca a week will shut most people down and wont do them a bit of good either. Those low dosages may have worked for him or they may have done him more harm than good, it all depends on the person.

Well, the crazy thing is..this guy is 250 LEAN with 20" arms and a 54" chest. I've known him for a few years. Perhaps he's playing w/me about the dosages? I don't know why he would though. He said he doesn't take more than 1k mg per week of all anabolics combined and this is from 20 yrs of juicing..he's 41 yrs old. So...it's like...wow..this guy could be in a magazine..his body speaks for itself...but everyone disagrees w/him and they don't look nearly as good. But then again, I'm not seeing nearly as much size as I expected. So I'm confused.

[kafabe]

if you rbuddy looks like you say, and has been cycling for years, he is lying about his doses. After 6 weeks if you are not satisfied with results, up the test another 100 or 150 mgs, maybe all you need to produce great gains, you have to remember, gear affects everyone different, some people may grow great on 500mgs of test a week, and others that are even smaller may need 1,000 mgs a week. You have to experiment and listen to your body.

[liftin4life]

if you rbuddy looks like you say, and has been cycling for years, he is lying about his doses. After 6 weeks if you are not satisfied with results, up the test another 100 or 150 mgs, maybe all you need to produce great gains, you have to remember, gear affects everyone different, some people may grow great on 500mgs of test a week, and others that are even smaller may need 1,000 mgs a week. You have to experiment and listen to your body.

Okay...I'll up it by about 100 and leave the Deca alone and see what happens. I wanted to take enough to get gains but not enough to be shut down hard and lose the gains afterwards. If I up it by 100/wk should I do a booster shot (kinda like a mid-cycle preload) of 150mg btw shots so the blood levels will be up?

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