Ok guys lets give him some real answers now (celltech). Believe me or not my best cycle so far has been a dbol only cycle. This was also my first cycle. I gained 25lbs. in 8 wks and kept 20. I would not recommend this because it seems to be rare. But the cycle I am doing now is a fina, test, and slin cycle and I have gained 10lbs in 2.5wks and gained 3/4" in my arms. I have a good feeling this will turn out to be the best so far.