Quote Originally Posted by need2Bbig
OK two issues as i quickly skimmed through here... def. no expert by far but, old man you say that on long estered cycles your gains halt of 6-8 WEEKS?? WTF.... that doesnt even make sense?!?!?!?!?!? I keep on reading on here that EQ, for example, usually kicks in about week 6, AND test about week 4-5... SO WHAT YOUR SAYING is after 2 to 3 weeks of growing your gains halt???uhhhhhhhh...?

...and PINN you suggest that high dose cycles send your SBGH levels up and gains slow down, so why are people running 1g+ of test a week, and if they do this then they should include a DHT derived drug...does that only apply to test, or other compounds like deca, tren, primo?

trying to participate in an intelligent convo..ha, trying!
I'll let Tough Old Man speak for himself on that topic.


People,including myself, run much higher doses than 1g wkly of Test.What needs to be done is bring SHBG levels low to free up more Test.You can do this with DHT derivatives,also aromasin lowers SHBG levels as well.At the same time you need to control bio-available estrogen you just freed up.That's where proviron or a similar drug comes into play. All drugs compete for the same receptor,but in the case of reducing SHBG, Testosterone would be the drug you are trying to free up. I can't comment on Deca,primo ect. Only speculate, which is worthless in the thread of this caliber.

~Pinnacle~