Diabetic Sample Diet

[BIGPHIL]

Yeah my when I wake up in the morning my are boarderline low as well, if I do cardio though on an empty stomach then they get all out of whack. If I eat some carbs first, wait about an hour then mine pretty much stay stabilized.

Before I got to bed I also cut the carbs and take Egg Protein/Flax and ZMA before I go to bed and I wake up in the morning feeling pretty good.

As far a supplements that affect blood sugar. If you want to have something with simple sugars like juices then mulit-fiber supplements will slow down the absorbtion of the sugars, but should only be used with small amounts of sugars like a very small glass of orange juice infrequently. I have read that Zinc and Magnesium is supposed to help stabilize blood sugar and I know that when I take ZMA at night I do feel better in the morning so I think there is some truth in that. I have also found that B vitamins help as well with regards to helping and preventing diabetic nerve damage so my multivitamin that I take has higher levels of the B vitamins. Alpha-lipoic acid is also said to help with diabetic nerve damage.

For lowering blood sugar levels I have found Chromium, Lipoic Acid, and Conjugated Linoleic Acid, work. I have also heard reports that Ginseng and Vitamin C can low blood sugar levels in some diabetics. I have not tried Ginseng and personally see no difference in my blood sugars when taking Vitamin C.

For raising blood sugar levels I agree with you about Ephedrine and Asprine and also found Caffine will raise my blood sugar levels.

In America how do you measure blood glucose..Our blood glucose is meant to be between 4.5-8.5 levels...


when you go to the gym do you find you have a sweet spot blood sugar that makes you perform better...i believe i work well in the 5-6 region...

Do you go to the gym with a high blood sugar not overly high but say between levels 10-14???

I definetly notice that my performance drops when my blood is high..why is this????

[doby48]

In America we measure blood glucose in mg/dl (milligrams/deciliter) where as the rest of the world measures in mmol/l (millimoles/liter). I assume based on the numbers you show that you are measureing in the world standard (except America) of mmol/l. The conversion for the American and world standards is approx as follows:

To convert mmol/l of glucose to mg/dl, multiply by 18.
To convert mg/dl of glucose to mmol/l, divide by 18.

I find that I get the best performance if my blood sugar levels are between 100-150 (5.5 - 8.3). I like to eat some slower acting carbs about an hour or so before exercise since aerobic activity can cause blood sugar levels to dip and anaerobic activity can raise the blood sugar if glucose is activated faster than it can be moved into the cells by the existing insulin in your system.

Having these carbs before a workout will help avoid the dip or rise in glucose levels. When the body uses the carbs from the food we eat it turns to the liver and muscles for energy (glycogen or the stored form of glucose). If these stores are low or are not replaced, there is a good chance that a person with diabetes will have low lood sugar post exercise.

Depending on the amount of insulin in your system, blood sugars may increase after exercise due to withholding too much insulin, so it is important to closely monitor glucose levels after a workout expecially when changing your routine.

When the body produces too much insulin, the blood sugar levels drop, causing hypoglycemia to occur. Working out with blood glucose levels too low can cause a diabetic to feel fatigued or light headed. With a lack of insulin, the blood sugar will rise and result in hyperglycemia. Working out with blood glucose levels too high can cause a diabetic to feel fatigued, have dry mouth or the ones that we all know too well... frequent urination and extreme thirst. When the proper balance is not maintained and either hypogylycemia or hyperglycemia occurs then an performance becomes affected.

[BIGPHIL]

Depending on the amount of insulin in your system, blood sugars may increase after exercise due to withholding too much insulin, so it is important to closely monitor glucose levels after a workout expecially when changing your routine.

FLIP I NEVER KNEW THIS............


How do you go about dieting.I tend just to go low calorie not realy low carb i tried it before but went into ketosis to quick and lost alot of muscle?????

HAVE YOU EVER TRIED CLEN, HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR BLOOD SUGAR I WAS THINKING OF TAKING IT?

[doby48]

For dieting, I do the same thing as you by cutting my total calorie intake. The percentage of carbs that I intake stays the same. I also have tried cutting my carbs when dieting and have found that I go into Ketosis or Ketoacidosis.

I have pasted the text from an article I found online explaining the two. I started to write up an explination myself but found this that can explain it better:

What is Ketosis?
Ketosis is the presence in the blood of abnormally high levels of acidic substances called ketones. Ketones (also called "ketone bodies") are chemicals with a carbonyl unit (a carbon doubly bonded to an oxygen) that has two alkyl or aromatic (hydrocarbon) substituents bonded to the carbon atom. They include acetoacetic acid, 3-hydroxybutyric acid, and acetone.

What Causes Ketosis?
Ketosis is caused when the body metabolizes body fat for energy purposes, instead of the usual glucose-from-carbohydrates. The ketones are actually produced by the liver from fatty acids, Gluconeogenesis, which result from the breakdown of body fat. As stated, the body doesn't usually metabolize fat for energy: it usually burns glucose which it obtains from carbohydrates. But if there isn’t enough glucose in the bloodstream, (or, in the case of diabetics, if the glucose can't be utilized), the body draws on its alternate energy system, fat stores, for fuel, which causes the appearance of ketones in the blood.

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What is Ketoacidosis?
Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, the main element being acid, not ketones themselves. In ketoacidosis, the blood pH level becomes dangerously acidic due to an extremely high blood glucose level triggered either because the diabetic patient has no insulin, or else because he/she doesn't respond to insulin. As the diabetic's blood sugar rises, ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the cells can't use the sugar due to the diabetes.

Twin Factors of Ketoacidosis
To recap, in ketoacidosis, it is twin factors of (1) high blood sugar, and (2) high acidity of the blood that trigger the condition, rather than the ketosis itself. The ketones just happen to be an associated element, and are a result of the condition, not the cause.

[BIGPHIL]

For dieting, I do the same thing as you by cutting my total calorie intake. The percentage of carbs that I intake stays the same. I also have tried cutting my carbs when dieting and have found that I go into Ketosis or Ketoacidosis.

I have pasted the text from an article I found online explaining the two. I started to write up an explination myself but found this that can explain it better:

So we dont need to worry about cutting are carbs like normal people..Id be correct insaying they cut carbs as to avoid aninsulin spike and so take fat and protein wheras if we take a low this is the same as a normal persons insulin spike so we must take enough carbs as to prevent this...sometimes i am still taking carbs at like 12 at night (maybe a bowl of oats)200kcal,,this would be the same as a normal person taking say 22.22g of fat...wouldnt it? lol this confuses the hell out of me

thanks for all the help

[doby48]

So we dont need to worry about cutting are carbs like normal people..Id be correct insaying they cut carbs as to avoid aninsulin spike and so take fat and protein wheras if we take a low this is the same as a normal persons insulin spike so we must take enough carbs as to prevent this...sometimes i am still taking carbs at like 12 at night (maybe a bowl of oats)200kcal,,this would be the same as a normal person taking say 22.22g of fat...wouldnt it? lol this confuses the hell out of me

thanks for all the help

Yes you are correct that we do not cut carbs like normal people when dieting. Diabetics need to keep the carbs in our systems in order to avoid any conditions with blood sugar (hypo or hyperglycemia depending on the current condition).

I normally try to stop taking carbs before I go to bed, at least a couple of hours earlier but as you know, sometimes the most minor things can cause the levels to be not as expected... stress, lack of sleep, different amount of exercise, different work schedule, etc. So even though I normally start avoiding carbs before going to bed there are days where I need to take some before going to bed, otherwise I know I will be in trouble in the morning. What I normally aim for is to start off the morning with carbs and avoid the fats, I workout after that and then I have my PWO and my PPWO with again lots of complex carbs. I will usually have a snack then again before dinner and that snack will sometimes be carbs and sometimes fats, it depends on how I'm feeling. My dinner I try to get in fats if possible, but again that is dependant on how my levels are at that time. My evening snack is usually fats/proteins and then I have an egg protein/flax shake before going to bed. Normally that works out but there are days that I just can't get my blood sugar levels straightened out and I avoid all the fats altogether. For a diabetic it isn't as important as a normal person to be sure to get in a certain amount of fats, althoug Flax is said to be good for helping to stabalize blood sugars to unless my levels are really off then I always make the attempt to have flax with my protein (and ZMA) before going to bed.

I completely understand about the confusion part, it is difficult to be a diabetic sometimes and when you read the diet forum here and things normal people do often contradict what diabetics need to do. I normally don't respond to diet threads for that reason unless the person is diabetic because their needs would be quite different than mine.

[BIGPHIL]

Yes you are correct that we do not cut carbs like normal people when dieting. Diabetics need to keep the carbs in our systems in order to avoid any conditions with blood sugar (hypo or hyperglycemia depending on the current condition).

I normally try to stop taking carbs before I go to bed, at least a couple of hours earlier but as you know, sometimes the most minor things can cause the levels to be not as expected... stress, lack of sleep, different amount of exercise, different work schedule, etc. So even though I normally start avoiding carbs before going to bed there are days where I need to take some before going to bed, otherwise I know I will be in trouble in the morning. What I normally aim for is to start off the morning with carbs and avoid the fats, I workout after that and then I have my PWO and my PPWO with again lots of complex carbs. I will usually have a snack then again before dinner and that snack will sometimes be carbs and sometimes fats, it depends on how I'm feeling. My dinner I try to get in fats if possible, but again that is dependant on how my levels are at that time. My evening snack is usually fats/proteins and then I have an egg protein/flax shake before going to bed. Normally that works out but there are days that I just can't get my blood sugar levels straightened out and I avoid all the fats altogether. For a diabetic it isn't as important as a normal person to be sure to get in a certain amount of fats, althoug Flax is said to be good for helping to stabalize blood sugars to unless my levels are really off then I always make the attempt to have flax with my protein (and ZMA) before going to bed.

I completely understand about the confusion part, it is difficult to be a diabetic sometimes and when you read the diet forum here and things normal people do often contradict what diabetics need to do. I normally don't respond to diet threads for that reason unless the person is diabetic because their needs would be quite different than mine.

thanks alot now i can relax alot more and eat my carbs and know im not causing much damage to my diet..i do as well have prot/fat meals in the evening as well....


do you ever use your insulin to your advantage when trainig..I have tried it and the results are allright(well im bigger than alot of older men anyway...lol still 18 atm)


do you find that you store bodyfat easier whilst being a diabetic....i find i do especially if i dont keep my insulin TIGHT. i mean not injecting too much at once which causes a low then i have to rush and havesomthing(THIS PUTS ON MY WEIGHT) but i have tightened up and the fat is coming off....

My diet is very clean atm (clean bulk) and i am growing nicely.i eat every 3-3.5 hours how about you? do you have a protein shake in the middle of the night i have started doing this and it really has shown some results..i do find dieting hard lol like everyone (lol it takes too long!)

[doby48]

HAVE YOU EVER TRIED CLEN, HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOUR BLOOD SUGAR I WAS THINKING OF TAKING IT?

I have not tried Clen but have considered trying it. I have done research on Clen and the effects it has on blood sugar levels with diabetics in particular and I found that it will raise your blood sugar levels only slightly. How much they consider "slightly" I'm not sure, I haven't seen any specific numbers. If you do give it a try I would be interested in what you find, and would caution to keep a closer than normal eye on your levels (although I'm sure that goes without saying).

[BIGPHIL]

I have not tried Clen but have considered trying it. I have done research on Clen and the effects it has on blood sugar levels with diabetics in particular and I found that it will raise your blood sugar levels only slightly. How much they consider "slightly" I'm not sure, I haven't seen any specific numbers. If you do give it a try I would be interested in what you find, and would caution to keep a closer than normal eye on your levels (although I'm sure that goes without saying).

yes i herd it has a slight affect on blood sugars to..Apparenbtly it comes from the release of glycogen????

yes i will be trying it. on an empty sotmach in the morning so ill see how it affects it and pm u immediately....i have to wait until i get it first...