Actually my opinion here is prolly a lil diffrent than many others.. I waited for very long and then many of my friends didnt (they were 170 lbs and I was 260 lbs).. We all stated cycling the same time.. I did my cycle with bigger doses but have been able to keep less and gain as much.. I am training better and eating better, but I think Im at a point where its harder to keep the gains etc in PCT since the balance between anabolism / catabolism is harder to achieve (what would be enough to sustain all the gains).. My friends didnt even do a correct PCT and they kept almost all... Then my point: I wouldnt advise AAS to newbies, that wasnt my intention. Im simply stating my opinion that people CAN gain well even if the havent reached their maximum potential. I do think that people should have a sufficient background in training and nutrition + a solid base before they start to cycle.. Many years of training etc... JMO