I think I almost got this down

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

Well ok here it goes.....

I am close to 19 years old, and this summer I am running a cycle.
I am currently close to 260 pounds with 13-14%bf

I am wanting to do the following.

Weeks 1-10, Test E, either 400mg or 500mg per week in 2 shots
weeks 3-8, .25mg adex per day
weeks 9-12 50mg proviron, 20mg nolva per day
weeks 13-14, clomid, days 1-4 150mgs a day, days 5-10 100mgs a day, days 11-14 50mgs a day.

I will also be eating 5,000-5,500 cals

Right now I am eating 4000.

I lift 5 days A week
monday: arms
tuesday: legs
wednesday: shoulders
thursday: back
friday: chest

I want to add 20 pounds. I hope I can do this.

I have been training for almost 5 years as well. and am not another kid that rushed into this, I have been researching for 2 years.

I also may take out the proviron, I am just trying to watch my estrogen levels.

[Kale]

Cycles good, but I am not so sure your age to juice is. How tall are you ? You want to get to 300lbs ? Do you want to be a wrestler or what ?

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

6'5" been this height since i was 15

[Kale]

Fark, I want to see a pic. !!!! Seriously bro, you can do this naturally if you really put your heart into it.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I have been trying so much. You know. I even got a doc that will monitor me.

It is just I want to compete next year, and win. I mean I have gained close to 55lbs muscle since i started. I mean seriously. i do not have that much more. MY doc even say that. I will post a pic, how? I do not know how to take them from my computer and add them to here.

[Kale]

Click on "Post Quick Reply" at the bottom of this screen the click on "Go Advanced" at the botom of the next screen then half way down the next screek click on "Manage attachements" its self explanitory from there.

Now what do you mean by "I do not have much more " ? You are 19, you have a shitload more. Trust me, dont wreck it all by juicing too early. What kind of a fool Dr have you got by the way ? Look, you will do what you want regardless of what I or anybody else tells you. You should have a read of this thread http://67.18.108.244//showthread.php...hlight=starter the first link is the relevent one for you. If you read that, at least you do this knowing the potential consequences.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

How do I get a ****ing pik on the biotch?

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

ok thanks

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I have read that post, I even posted there ,a story of a friends brother.

[Kale]

And you still want to juice. ?

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

Well see my friend was 15, and got no sides, his bro got ahold of em at 13 and died, he mixed tons of shit, plus no lifting really. You read it. see my pics, I know they suck. Anyway i am crashing for the night, check you all later. be bak tomorrow, keep posting

[Kale]

Well I have tried. But I might as well just try and keep you safe now.

wk 1-10 400 mg Test E / Week shot twice a week.

wk 1-10 10mg Nolvadex ED.

PCT starts 14 days after the last Test E shot.

Day 1-30 20mg Nolvadex ED
Day 1-30 100mg Clomid ED

Keep all the other shit in reserve;

[POSH]

Agree w/ above....but you might want to run the arimidex all the way through cycle and pct

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

The adex will be started week 2-3, cause I dont want it to dry out my joints, i will wait for the test to kik in. I hear adex dries your joints out.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Bro post some better pics (full body)
Can't tell a thing from those pics. 6'5'' 260 14% sounds very impressive, I would like to see. Traps look OK.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

Yeah, my cam doesnt have a timer, and no one else here right now. i can tell you I hold fat round my abs, but have lines in my quads, weird shit. Also My arms are lagging like hell, and I barely ever train traps, I just have them.

I need to get these arms up.they are 16.75" not that good.
quads are 28"
chest is 46.5"
waist is 36"(need to lose some)
calf is 18"

I need to ev n out my body, but It will happen.

[Natron-Killer20]

big mo fuka for 18, im same age weighing in at 180,5'4...i hate u

[Natron-Killer20]

shiit if my kid was that big i would make him do juice, i would shoot him up when he was sleeping...cant let those genetics go to waste

[Lil man 10]

new game, dude if you are gonna do this then DO IT RIGHT, get youre body in great shape first, this should not take long at all if you get youre diet right which is where you will get youre greatest gains anyway, check out the diet forum and the guys gaining like no other naturally,then set out youre cycle
And natron 5'4" and 180 dang man youre either a swole sob or a fat one got pics?

[Big00Tony]

New In the game. Only 19 bro and you want to juice? Are you insane... Sorry to be the one to break it to you... But from the pics it looks like you've got very little musculature. Youll need to put on a LOT more muscle to compete. Youre so tall you'll get blown away. Im 20 yr old natural bodybuilder going to compete in my first show this year. Im 5'10" at 225 pounds right now at around 14%BF. I will be competing at around 176. You've still got a long ways to go until you really peak. But at your height and you BF percentage (somewhere closer to 20% judging by your face in the picture) youre bodyweight of 260 isn't too impressive. I work as a personal trainer and see a lot of guys like you that think they've hit their max. Man from 19 to 20 yrs old I shot up 20 pounds. I dont mean to bash you man, but someone needs to tell you the honest truth. Youre too young, too inexperienced, and too tall. Train hard eat right for another 4 years and if you really think you need juice to get growth. Go for it. But until then, stay away from the stuff, let the big boys play. Ive been training hard for 6 years and every year I go I see myself getting bigger and bigger. Youre looking for the easy way into looking good. But you dont want to put the work in.

[Natron-Killer20]

I got no way to get pics on comp...but no not fat

[Kale]

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

My bodyfat is 13.71% got it tested at a clinic on friday. ****ing spendy for a lil test, but oh well. I realize I am tall. And Diet I will show you it, it is very good.


Meal 1: 430am 50g whey, 5g glutamine, 1 cup water (wake up)

meal 2: 515am, 6 egg whites, 3 whole eggs, 4 servings oats, banana

meal 3: 6:20 PWO. 5g glutamine, 50g whey, 100g dextrose, 5g creatine, 5g AAKG

Meal 4: 900 1 can tuna, 6 peices whole wheat bread, 1/2 cup almonds,
apple.

Meal 5: 1200, 8 ounces flank steak, 1 baked potatoes, corn, 16 ounces milk 1.5 cups rice.

Meal 6: 300, 50g whey, 1cup milk, banana, 50g carbs from oats.

meal 7: 530, 8 ounce flank steak, 1.5cups rice, peas

meal 8: 800, 1 cans tuna, 2 whole wheat bread, green beans

meal 9: bed, 10g glutamine, 15g amino acid powder, 5g aakg, 40g casein protein, 2 tbsp flax oil

This is my daily diet, almost all days.
400g protein= 1600 calories(only whole sources countes, protein powder, meats, dairy)
550g carbs= 2200 calories
120g fat= 1100 calories( lots of good fats from flax seed, fish oil caps, extra virgin olive oil, nuts)

As you see, my diet is 9 meals a day, always at least 8. has been for 2 years.

I have kept this diet for a while with no real increases.

I mean I have gained a little strength, but no appreciable size.

I Am very strong in most lifts, especially for my height, but I do not use htis as a crutch, I still lift just as heavy as all the rest. No excuses.

Iunno, I mean You have to ask your self a serious line of questions when you are trying to decide on this.

Will this hurt me, will this be worth it, will it make me feel fake, can it **** up my children I will have in the future, can it **** up my relationship, my life.

I have looked htese over.

I will list my workout sometime today, but The thing I am saying is, othig is working. Also the 9 the meal is 1 hour after i sleep, i get up then slam that coctail, and back to bed it is.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

As far as you asking if I miss days, No never, not for hell or high water. I need this to set me straight, this or prison. When I was 13 and 14 I got inot deep in Cali with some family memebers, and even up here in South Dakota. So no I do not miss days, this is my foundation for my life, my dreams, and my realities. I am starting college in a month, I am trying to also open a gym this summer. I am trying to get my A+ cert. for personal training. It is alot of work, then I look at myself, and see the same old kid, the scrawny lanking mutha f'cker everyone saw back in the day. Then they tell me I am different. I do not know maybe I am merely seeing me this way, And in all actuallity I am getting bigger. Who knows?

[SwoleCat]

Almost 19 means you are 18.

Still a teen.

From the pics you posted (which we can't see shit) you hunching up to make your traps try to stick up is not going to convince myself, nor anyone else, that you are ready for gear. You should have a FULL front shot of chest/arms/shoulders/LEGS/etc. to assess TOTAL DEVELOPMENT.

However, it's your life/body, and I don't care.

Just pointing out that the pics don't justify any usage at all.

~SC~

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I know, when I can get full body I will. I just ****ing hate being tall, I know I will never be mr. olympia, or arnold classic winner. I do want my Pro card someday tho.

[NEW_IN_THE_GAME]

I know, when I can get full body I will. I just ****ing hate being tall, I know I will never be mr. olympia, or arnold classic winner. I do want my Pro card someday tho. I will be 19 in 2 days I was wanting to juice in like october, so like 3-4 months from my 20th bday. I am thinking I will wait till I am at least 20-21.