short LIGHT cycles...as opposed to HEAVY

[needbigguns]

I know everyones talking about short 30 day heavy cycles but has anyone had any success with short light cycles...

Im not yet advanced enough to try short heavy cycles but i would like to give short light cycles ago...

My goals are mass, keeping test between 500-750mg's, Going up to 50mgs of Dbol or 150mgs of Anadrol...

I would use all fast acting compunds...Would Sustanon be better for mass shooting EOD than Prop shot EOD at the same overall MG per week ?

I cannot get NPP or i would run Test NPP and Dbol/Anadrol as its a tryed and tested mass cycle...

How about this :

Sustanon EOD @ 750mg/week (i dunno how many mgs to ml that is allthough if someone could work that out it would be great)
Dbol @ 50mg ED or Anadrol @ 150mg ED (which would be the best for mass in terms of keeping gains after PCT ?)
Tren A @ 75mg EOD

- All 3 of the steroid familys are being used here
Has anyone had success with similar Short Moderate cycles

Does anyone else have any better suggestions or improvments to this ?

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I know everyones talking about short 30 day heavy cycles but has anyone had any success with short light cycles...

Im not yet advanced enough to try short heavy cycles but i would like to give short light cycles ago...

My goals are mass, keeping test between 500-750mg's, Going up to 50mgs of Dbol or 150mgs of Anadrol...

I would use all fast acting compunds...Would Sustanon be better for mass shooting EOD than Prop shot EOD at the same overall MG per week ?

I cannot get NPP or i would run Test NPP and Dbol/Anadrol as its a tryed and tested mass cycle...

How about this :

Sustanon EOD @ 750mg/week (i dunno how many mgs to ml that is allthough if someone could work that out it would be great)
Dbol @ 50mg ED or Anadrol @ 150mg ED (which would be the best for mass in terms of keeping gains after PCT ?)
Tren A @ 75mg EOD

- All 3 of the steroid familys are being used here
Has anyone had success with similar Short Moderate cycles

Does anyone else have any better suggestions or improvments to this ?

i would change the sustanon with prop bro much better dont forget that there is esters in sustanon that take time to start working so i would go with prop 100mg ed thats 700mg ew or if you want lower dose go with 75mg ed that 525mg ew.I would take it easy with drol personally i love dbols at high dosage than drol very easy keepable gains with dbol but if you want drol & experinced with it then start with 50 & work your way up to 100, 150 is too much IMO & tren acetate 75mg eod is good idea here i would do it like this:

1-8 test prop 100mg ed "700mg ew"

1-4 drol 50/100mg ed

1-6 tren acetate 75mg ed "300mg ew"

1-8 nolva 20mg ed

Pct start 3 days after last prop injection.

good luck

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[AleX-69]

Well I think most of your questions are answerd in this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=225586

if you still got questions after readin' all this feel free to ask.

[needbigguns]

dbol @ higher dosage than Drol...what like over 50mgs of Dbol ?

I want to try a 4-6 week cycle because like Marcus here on the forum allways explains and the Paul Borresen Theory is that if you have cycles of only 4-6 weeks, you recover much quicker and dont get shut down...

Thinking about it Drol with Tren = Bad News IMO...

Id rather shoot EOD so id maybe run it like this...

Dbol @ 50mg ED (Maybe 60 !?!?) - 4/6 Weeks
Test P @ 200mg EOD - 4/6 Weeks
Tren @ 150mg EOD - 4/6 Weeks

If i could get 7 lbs after PCT every time i would be happy at that...
anyone else here have any experiance with this ?

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dbol @ higher dosage than Drol...what like over 50mgs of Dbol ?

I want to try a 4-6 week cycle because like Marcus here on the forum allways explains and the Paul Borresen Theory is that if you have cycles of only 4-6 weeks, you recover much quicker and dont get shut down...

Thinking about it Drol with Tren = Bad News IMO...

Id rather shoot EOD so id maybe run it like this...

Dbol @ 50mg ED (Maybe 60 !?!?) - 4/6 Weeks
Test P @ 200mg EOD - 4/6 Weeks
Tren @ 150mg EOD - 4/6 Weeks

If i could get 7 lbs after PCT every time i would be happy at that...
anyone else here have any experiance with this ?

Oh i see well with my 4th cycle i did dbol at 80mg along with test & deca great results but i like your cycle dbol at 60mg is good for 4 or 5 wks how about this

1-7 prop 200mg eod make the prop 7wks so you dont finish the cycle with the tren its better for recovery.

1-6 tren 150mg eod

1-4 or 1-5 dbol 60mg ed

1-7 nolva 20mg ed

1-7 liver support

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[needbigguns]

I dont wanna do longer than 6 weeks tho m8 lol

Iv just cum up with abit of a theory, i posted a thread about it, it relates to this question have a look :

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=225703

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I see well i think the your proposed cycle above is fine bro just one thing dont go with dbol over 5wks

1-5 dbol 60mg ed

1-6 prop 200mg eod

1-6 tren 150mg eod

1-6 nolva 20mg ed

1-6 liver support

But remember i want you to kill yourself in this 6wks train your ass off very hard with very strict & clean diet so you can get as much as possible from this cycle its very nice 6wks cycle also update me when you start it i would love to know how the gains went.

good luck,

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[j martini]

most people who run short cycles run very high doses to shock the body and then get off before the your gains slow down.

[thermodave]

why not try a short 4 week cycle of prop and tren @ 50mg each eod? If you can keep track of your diet, you could establish a rough baseline that the cycle + diet + training gave you. Then, if you were unsatisfied with the results, you could make modifications to your diet or cycle dose and/or length, and carry on from there. I think that too few people try to find out how little aas they need to grow, instead they jump on this 500 - 750mg test per week formula, not knowing if they really need this dose.

[sp9]

I still side with all the experiences posted here, the recomended first cycles that are 10-12 weeks of test. Short cycles are more for advanced bodybuilders. I don't believe there is a short/light cycle for non-advanced people (6 weeks) to use. I think the knowledge gathered here for years supports the 10-12 week range as most effective (longer sometimes for things like EQ), low dose or moderate dose.

Until the vets and mods I respect start saying their is a short (6 week) cycle that is effective for newer, or moderatley experienced people, I will stick with the proven methods. The vast majority of expiriments people post here, and vets/mods posts, does not support a short 6 week cycle theory for people with little or moderate steroid experience.

Everyone is looking for the magic bullet that does not exist.

Marcus' post about the short heavy cycles is only for the most advanced, competitive bodybuilders that have the time to dedicate themselves, and are looking for a competitive advantage, not for the guy in the gym who just wants to look good, in my opinion.

[fLgAtOr]

I think needbigguns posed a valid question.

And we aren't talking about Marcus' cycle suggestions or that 2wk on stuff either.

I think this is more about how we can use the synergy of different compunds to reduce the amount of time On. And if we apply some similar techniques of longer esters (frontloading, specifically) to shorter ones, would the gains come quicker and be equally permanent?

I only have experience with prop and tren so I'll do my best to explain. I felt "on" within a few days, but I didn't start to feel like a fat kid in a candy store until wk 3. Then life was grrrreeat.

So what if we were to apply frontloading? And, in addition, use another compound that would affect the body via a different mechanism (I'm thinking d-bol for this example, but lack expierence with it). If we were to use appropriate dosages for the person/goal (not asking or suggesting) would we be able to get in and out in 6 weeks with permanent gains?

..Just trying to stimulate some discussion...

[marcus300]

I dont think its in question that you can get good quality gains just like a long cycle, all the gains ive seen are permanent with less sides, I think we are getting carried away with AAS, we know it build muscle and we know the risk to sides benefit the shorter cycles, One thing we must relise is alot of the gains when doing a short cycle weather heavy/light/moderate are due to the priming of the body, thats were short cycling really benefits.

We all know the longer you are on the more sides you will produce and recovery is so harder, ive seen huge BB's shrink after they have come off a long cycle because their bodys just cant keep hold of the muscle due to the testosterone levels, they more or less go back on or coast to the next cycle, which means higher dosages and even more sides, if your willing to do that thats fine but if not try a short cycle, but i must stress the prime is one of the most important things you can do before a short cycle, or any cycle.

marcus

[fLgAtOr]

Good reminder...its always easy to forget the diet part...

[needbigguns]

what do you mean when u talk about priming your body marcus...Could you please explain further...do you mean dieting before the cycle reducing calories then when u do start UPP the calories alot and ul grow more than normally...???