Moderate Dose Short Cyles - Steroids for Health!

[JohnnyB]

You are right on this one. That is why I personally wouldn't advocate 4on / 4 off. I suggested a longer off period (6-8wks) on page 1 in this thread beacuse of HPTA and HDL/LDL recovery reasons..

Then you don't agree with the original posters of this idea. So here's my question to you, and if you've covered it please forgive me. I will admit I didn't read every post to much to go through as mentioned already.

What have your results been and do you have any pictures? As I mentioned this idea has been around for a long time and it hasn't caught on with those on these boards. I have seen it brought up more then once since it came out and have never seen a post by someone that has used the method and had something good to say about it. Believe me I've been on these boards for almost 4 years now and have never seen anyone say anything good about it that has used it. I've heard lots of people say they were going to try it. The reason I believe no one has said they used it is cause, there's lots of people that disagree with this method, so people don't want to admit that they tried it and it didn't work, they don't want to be the one that didn't listen but did it anyway.

JohnnyB

[AleX-69]

Then you don't agree with the original posters of this idea. So here's my question to you, and if you've covered it please forgive me. I will admit I didn't read every post to much to go through as mentioned already.

What have your results been and do you have any pictures? As I mentioned this idea has been around for a long time and it hasn't caught on with those on these boards. I have seen it brought up more then once since it came out and have never seen a post by someone that has used the method and had something good to say about it. Believe me I've been on these boards for almost 4 years now and have never seen anyone say anything good about it that has used it. I've heard lots of people say they were going to try it. The reason I believe no one has said they used it is cause, there's lots of people that disagree with this method, so people don't want to admit that they tried it and it didn't work, they don't want to be the one that didn't listen but did it anyway.

JohnnyB

Yes I have done short cycles!
Yes I did see good results from them! (thats why i started this thread )

Let me lay out my cycle history and why i have done some short cycles. I'm not that expierienced with roids as some of the other users on this board are, but see for yourself:

2002: 1st cycle test/deca - everything went fine gained approx 20lbs - 15kept but felt kinda shitty afterwards (depressed sort of)
2003: 2nd cylce test/EQ - gained weight (approx 25lbs) but wasn't sastisfied with the qualtiy (also gained fat)... maybe 8lbs muscle I suppose i got fake gear. Defentily felt bad after the cycle..!
2004: 3rd cylce prop/OT 4 weeks (low dose): gained 9lbs of which i kept 7. No problem coming off.
4th cycle prop/OT 4 weeks (moderate dose): gained 12lbs of which i kept 9.
2005:: 5th cycle prop/var (diet): gained 5lbs, kept all + lost a good amount of bf
2006: 6th cycle var only / 8 wks (diet): in week 6 right now and I'm already up 3lbs + lost a good amount of bodyfat.

So you see my main reason why i tried short cycles was 'cause it was kinda hard for me to come off a longer cycle...
On reason short cycles seem to work for me fairly well is, that i tend to response very quickly to aas. It might be a bit more difficult to produce satisfying reslust for guys with lower aas responsivness (or it simply may require higher dosages )

Between my cycles there has always been plenty of off time - 12 weeks min!
That is why i can not comment on HCG that much. I simply don't use it as i don't string short cycles toghether.
Moreover for me there is no need to rush things + i always prefer to keep dosages sane as long as i gain weight. I have no ambition to compete ..


I'd like to add one more comment in general. There are certainly users of short cycles who had sucess. Some of them are even here on this board i.e. marcus, xtralarg, tallyjuice and others. Moreover there a several users who report to make their best gains in the first 4 weeks of a cycle (G-Force approx 20lbs,....).
In addition I want to point out that several of the newer steroid compounds (M1T, SD, Ergomax LMG, Phera-Plex) are only used for short periods of time! There has been an abundance of positive feedback concerning these cycles.
If you can achieve positive resulst with these compounds why should it be impossible with "the real deal" ?

regards and thx for your input.

[Pinnacle]

I'd like to add one more comment in general. There are certainly users of short cycles who had sucess. Some of them are even here on this board i.e. marcus, xtralarg, and others.

Now you sound like a cheap salesman pitching an idea.You know all to well the short cycles marcus talks about are very different from the shit posted here.I in fact recently ran one with great success,BUT I would NEVER EVER think about running a cycle like you are trying to sell on this board.Why you ask?Because they make No sense at all.Maybe you haven't noticed the poor response you got to this thread?You've made the majority of the posts here trying to dump this bullshit down everyones throat.I don't see ppl flooding to ask questions about this bullshit...maybe no ones buys it,that's why.

~Pinnacle~

[AleX-69]

Yeah right pin... no need to insult me! I am not trying to convine anybody that short cycling is the only way to go...in what way would it benifit me anyway?

One has to find the a way of cycling which suites his needs and goals best! I stated that several times. So i think short cycling is perfect for me but if it isn't for you... well do whats working best for you.. no problems with that..

Well plz let me know the diffrences between short moderate dose cycling and Heavy dose short cycling (besides slin & GH).

Anyway i had a good laugh reading your post..

[JohnnyB]

Yes I have done short cycles!
Yes I did see good results from them! (thats why i started this thread )

Let me lay out my cycle history and why i have done some short cycles. I'm not that expierienced with roids as some of the other users on this board are, but see for yourself:

2002: 1st cycle test/deca - everything went fine gained approx 20lbs - 15kept but felt kinda shitty afterwards (depressed sort of)
2003: 2nd cylce test/EQ - gained weight (approx 25lbs) but wasn't sastisfied with the qualtiy (also gained fat)... maybe 8lbs muscle I suppose i got fake gear. Defentily felt bad after the cycle..!
2004: 3rd cylce prop/OT 4 weeks (low dose): gained 9lbs of which i kept 7. No problem coming off.
4th cycle prop/OT 4 weeks (moderate dose): gained 12lbs of which i kept 9.
2005:: 5th cycle prop/var (diet): gained 5lbs, kept all + lost a good amount of bf
2006: 6th cycle var only / 8 wks (diet): in week 6 right now and I'm already up 3lbs + lost a good amount of bodyfat.

So you see my main reason why i tried short cycles was 'cause it was kinda hard for me to come off a longer cycle...
On reason short cycles seem to work for me fairly well is, that i tend to response very quickly to aas. It might be a bit more difficult to produce satisfying reslust for guys with lower aas responsivness (or it simply may require higher dosages )

Between my cycles there has always been plenty of off time - 12 weeks min!
That is why i can not comment on HCG that much. I simply don't use it as i don't string short cycles toghether.
Moreover for me there is no need to rush things + i always prefer to keep dosages sane as long as i gain weight. I have no ambition to compete ..


I'd like to add one more comment in general. There are certainly users of short cycles who had sucess. Some of them are even here on this board i.e. marcus, xtralarg, tallyjuice and others. Moreover there a several users who report to make their best gains in the first 4 weeks of a cycle (G-Force approx 20lbs,....).
In addition I want to point out that several of the newer steroid compounds (M1T, SD, Ergomax LMG, Phera-Plex) are only used for short periods of time! There has been an abundance of positive feedback concerning these cycles.
If you can achieve positive resulst with these compounds why should it be impossible with "the real deal" ?

regards and thx for your input.

Now I'm getting to know you and what you think. I see a pattern with what you thought were your best cycle and they involved fat lose. I think our philosophies are pretty much the same but we come at it from different angels. I'm not a high dose guy, I see LBM as the key to a cycle not the number of lbs gain, cause they can be fat too. I go for LBM cycles over a bulker, the problem I see with these gains of 20lbs more or less in the first 4 weeks, is there's a good amount of fat involved. I believe while using gear you should avoid gaining fat as much as possible, espescially if you are worried about your lipid panel.

Your depression was from your natural test levels being low, this is why I recommend HCG with cyles over 8 weeks and any cycle that has a 19-nor steroid in it.

Now back to the real deal I'm not familar with those compounds you mentioned, my question is how much of those gains do they keep? To the best of my knowledge the qucik fix orals are mostly water weight, the real deal that is

I'm with you, we need to do cycle that have health as it's basic priority, don't go for more mass at the risk of your health. Mass being, muscle and fat, lean mass should be the priority and if possibile fat lose with it. I know lots of guys that have done short cycle and loved them, but they were in the 6-8 week range. There was one that gained 20 or 22 lbs in 8 weeks and dropped I believe 2 to 4% BF, now that's a beautiful thing.

So as I said I think we are coming from the same philosiphy of health first, just different angels. There are some that come from a totally different angel and thais low dose cycle of 10-12 or more weeks, they have their philosiphy and I do see it. I've read a study that showed 300mg of test didn't do much to the lipid profile and there was some fat lose.

Bro I like doing this, I believe this is the way these boards should be, us giving our idea and respectfully debating them.

JohnnyB