i weigh 162lbs, am 6 1/2', and have been weight training for the past 2 years, i have seen some growth in my strength, but not in size or definition. I want to do a cycle of roids. What do you think?
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i weigh 162lbs, am 6 1/2', and have been weight training for the past 2 years, i have seen some growth in my strength, but not in size or definition. I want to do a cycle of roids. What do you think?
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i think you're too young, and could gain MUCH more naturally by fine-tuning your diet and training.Originally Posted by u2slo
Anabolic Member
shouldn't even be considering it...your 6' 162lbs dude u could easily reach 200lbs just eat, eat, eat, eat like everyone will tell u food is everything, i just made this realization myself
Banned
Food is everything. Sooner you realize that, the sooner you will grow.
Senior Member
IMO @ 18 you have so much to
gain naturally, it wouldnt be wise
to start now. Learn all you need
too, and wait a few years.
You should want to learn alll about
the gear you planning on stickin'
Gotta eat clean, and eat enough
as mentioned above.
Associate Member
If you take ne thing now your going to screw up what you have naturally. You have to think about the big picture. Juice is to be applied when your body is not producing enough test. If you do it now your wasting it cause once you start you start. Speaking only on the fact that you will peak to early. Then you will want to get big later in life but you already used it, see. Say you could get to 200lbs. natural like mentioned above, well you would be pretty dumb to juice at 165 lbs and get to the 200 lbs when you could just wait till you get to the 200 or higher lbs. then add juice and then think where you will be. Just something to think about.
Senior Member
well said..shoot for 200 now
clean, and plan for 230 l8tr
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What would you suggest to be the fastest way to gain weight naturally?
Senior Member
Check out the diet forum, great
resourse there..I spent tons of time
there just reading and learning.
learning what to eat, and when will
help you a great deal..IMO
have mom stock up the house with
all the food you'll need.
Anabolic Member
If u do I'll tell your mommy and daddy..... now go upstairs and finish your homework...........
Banned
The same way you gain while on aas , eat alot and lift alot.
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Training the past 2 years and weigh 162lbs? How many months out of the year did you actually train? Alot of breaks and time off I assume.
Associate Member
Whey Protein. Serious. Don't mess with weight gainers either. Just plenty of protein. At least 2g for every lb of body weight. Drink 2-4 shakes a day and eat everything thats not crap.
Member
Just get a balance man. Don't eat just protein, cause then your piss will stink and turn green. Eat all types of foods. Cut the saturated fats. Lift heavy, good form, get rest, be patient, you'll grow.
good luck
GP
Associate Member
saturated fats arent all bad, you need some
stay away from the sweets
eat your eats and lotttttts of pasta if ya wanna bulk up
Banned
oats, tuna, eggwhites, chicken breasts, natural peanut butter, flax oil, protein powder are good foods to eat. Head over to the diet forum
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Bumb that chest6
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"I want to do some roids."
Member
No to hijack, but this thread is worthless anyways, but why is it important to take the yolk out of the egg? why are egg whites better?
Senior Member
y is this thread worthless?
Member
A 162lb 18 year old with 5 posts wants to cycle, is there something i'm missing?
Associate Member
Because yolk contains most (if not all) of the fat and may raise your cholestrol level. The white part is pure protein however. I usually eat 8 eggs, 2 full ones and 6 white only so it doesn't taste all that bad.
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How many more of these 'im 150lbs and 6ft1 and wanna juice' threads are we gonna see. Guys........................****ING EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT AND TRAIN SMART!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously now...................I think the moderators should make a section devoted to this. 'If your 150lbs and wanna juice.............'. Then these guys can read this post and realise the importance of training properly and eating like a bodybuilder. Not to flame but we get posts like this all the time.....................do some research, read books, magazines, search the net for mass building diets. Plus the fact your 18 with 5 posts.
Member
He is now posting in the diet forum. He is asking how to gain weight naturally. Lots of 18 yr. olds want to juice, didn't you?
Member
heres a cycle for you...2kg meat per day,spaced into 8 servings
as much rice/potatoes you can fit into yourself
then if you wana really push the envelope get whey+caesin protien creatine powder animal packs(multi vitamins,which are fantastic!)ZMA before bed ext!
i am being serious man there is no chance that you will ever look back later in life and think that was a great thing to do(taking drugs!)
even 200lb at your height is not enough to really think about taking drugs...you should be able to get into good shape and be around 240lb at least then think about it!at your body weight you must look like a skeleton(no offence man)
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And while you are thinking about a cycle, read this
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209793
and this
"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?
By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.
At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.
Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.
When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.
Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).
Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.
So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.
No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?
So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.
We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.
For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.
By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.
Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.
Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.
I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.
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I did a cycle at 18 and I regretted it. It took me 8 months or so to fully recover from that cycle. I broke out really really bad, made really good gains, and lost some of the gains after PCT. The thing was, I couldnt make any more natural gains for 8 or 9 months. So it was a major waste of time because I didnt want to do another cycle to fix the problem and it took a long time for my body to feel right. Dont do it man just up your calories and you will pack on the muscle. I know its not what you want to hear but its what works.
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gotta love that avatar...yum!
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Never quite understand these posts regarding "Can't" gain weight and working out for years and eating properly. Just for comparison purposes, I have two sons, one 15 and the other 17. One is gifted with great genes and the other 15 year old was skinny (6ft @ 145lbs). Eight months ago, I put both on bulking diets (see sticky in Diet section). To date, they have both gained solid muscle and continue to put on about 1 1/2 to 2 lbs a week. The only supplement they get is Protein, Creatine and Glutamine. They also run 8 grams of vit C a day and take multi vitamins. My 15 y/o is now 175lbs and they both work out with me on a 4 day split.
Here's my point, UNDERSTAND the science behind steroids and understand that your body produces a ton of Test at the moment. If you disciplined yourself to eat properly and added protein and tuned your workout, you WILL gain weight and size. Train your mind to appreciate work and stop looking for that immediate gratification. Life just doesn't work that way. Don't read this a take it as a lecture. Consider it just a conversation, the same that I have had with my sons. Good luck and just do the work!
Anabolic Member
go look on the workout forum, and the diet forum. you are from from in need of steroids to grow. 162lns @ 6ft is pretty small. experiment with shock training routines, lots of good food and rest. maybe creatine aswell. i assure you you will grow without the use of AAS
Banned
Obviously this kid donst know a single thing about AAS, your too young to start gearing up. Like everyone else said, eat and lift. Also read and learn about AAS to know what the hell your doing when your older..
Junior Member
When I turned 18 I was around 180. I hated it. All I wanted to do was get bigger. I looked for AAS and luckly didnt jump into it real quick. Decided to wait it out and get my diet down perfect. Started eating alot more food and exactly one year later.........i was 220 pounds. Diet is the answer. I here kids say they know about diet and all this who-ha and yet theyll be the ones sleepin in til 12 or 1 in the afternoon. Get your diet right and just wait for the weight.
Senior Member
I was the same size as you are now when I was 18. I started my first cycle when I weighed 230lbs at age 30...I probably could have started with a cycle at 27, but I chose not to. You will find other opinions about age on this board, but I think everyone would agree that at 6'1", you can put on 70 pounds naturally before you should even consider gear. The more you learn and grow naturally the more effective your cycle will be...if you decide that is the route you want to go. Train hard. Rest. Eat. You will grow.
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Only 162 lbs? You should add alot more weight naturally before you run a cycle. Most guys wait until they are at least 21 to start gear. Like everyone else said you need to check out a better diet plan. I assume you have a high metabolism since your weight is so low for your height.
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When I want to make it a pro/carb meal. I take of the yolk solely to remove the fat from the meal. When I want to have a pro/fat, I leave the yolk in. Not all 10-12 of course, but probably 3 or 4.
could not have said it better myself.
Member
Just to give you an idea:
One of my friends asked me help for training routine and a diet. I have him dieting clean and training hard... he gained 6lbs of LEAN MASS in 3 weeks. First time he has dieted religously. He has gone from 165 to 171lbs. He is looking great.
He is 20. Approximately the same age as you and is having just as good of results as if he were in fact using AAS, except these results won't fade away and he can brag about them for working his ass off for them too.
Just some sense.
Member
Cool story, got any pics?
Banned
What do you not believe him?
Natural or not I shrink like a spunge if I take time off.
Anabolic Member
I think you should start eating more protein, hitting the gym harder and adding some weight to you're training and mix up ur work out. You will probably start to notice some change. Good luck though
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