Wasn't trying to take over this guys thread and start a debate, I was just stating that I wasn't impressed with what I expected from running a drug at 1g/wk. No big deal. I am sure I might run it at a later time when I have more development and would like to really shred up but I'm not at that level yet, so I'll stick to what puts on mass, as I am still lacking a good 10-15lbs before I could contend with other competitors in my weight class. To each his own, just giving my personal experience with primo. Others may feel differently.