Deca dick update

[dabigcheese]

I had put up a thread earlier about limp dick problems due to Deca:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=226781

I thought I'd do an update.

What has happened since then is that I got my hands on some Tongkat Ali. It worked superbly in bringing the "boys" back. But the limp dick problems persisted mostly. My erections improved a little bit but they were still too soft.

However, after five days of TA usage, it seems my nuts are back to something close to their original form. I have been getting far better erections (I am still on 500 mgs of Deca a week) and semen volume has also increased quite significantly.

I wouldn't say my erections are absolutely rock hard like they would normally be but they are "workable" despite the Deca. I guess the combination of natural test produced by the nuts combined with the test being injected (600 mgs a week) is currently sufficient to overcome whatever limp problems the 500 mgs a week of Deca might have caused.

I have had a wank about 7 times since yesterday evening. So something's obviously working properly.

[Fjock]

lol true, next time run ur test a little bit higher. When i do 400-500 mgs of deca/week i automatically run my test atleast 750mgs/week

[BigChris]

Almost too much information there...lol

Glad the Tongkat Ali helped though - I think it is hugely underrated.

Chris

[dabigcheese]

lol true, next time run ur test a little bit higher. When i do 400-500 mgs of deca/week i automatically run my test atleast 750mgs/week

I tend to react adversely to androgenic gear which is why I kept the Test to only 500 initially. Little did I know little willie would head south as a result.

[dabigcheese]

Almost too much information there...lol

Glad the Tongkat Ali helped though - I think it is hugely underrated.

Chris

LOL. Thought I'd share the good news.

I can't believe more people don't use Tongkat Ali. It is an amazing product.

[Swifto]

Lots of information their!

Look into incorperating HCG into your future cycles IMO.

[Outlaw**]

again with the HCG...

[SS1476]

Awesome, glad to hear it dabigcheese
glad its coming back for you, keep it up

Outlaw, I also ran HCG, but it was also
because I went over 12 wks, well over.
Kept the boys in check, and full

[dabigcheese]

Lots of information their!

Look into incorperating HCG into your future cycles IMO.

Well, there'd be no point in using HCG AND Tongkat simultaneously because their effect is the same.

As someone who likes keeping injections to a minimum and is still a bit of a needle coward, I prefer using a few herbal tablets instead. Each to his own I guess.....

[dabigcheese]

Awesome, glad to hear it dabigcheese
glad its coming back for you, keep it up

Outlaw, I also ran HCG, but it was also
because I went over 12 wks, well over.
Kept the boys in check, and full

Thanks bro. Very very satisfying to get it working like normal again. Feels like Ive got my life back here.

I read in Author L Rea's book "Chemical Muscle Enhancement" that HCG use is a must after week 6 or 7 because shrinkage usually begins to set in after week 6 (especially if there are Testosterone esters in the cycle).

Deca also makes a godwaful mess of the Libido. I'll probably never run Deca again, ever.

[Outlaw**]

And I'm suposed to start my cyp/deca cycle on monday...I love reading all this.

[dabigcheese]

And I'm suposed to start my cyp/deca cycle on monday...I love reading all this.

I suggest you get your hands on some Tongkat Ali in advance and then use it at about week 6 or 7. Also, get the 1:50 version which is a little bit more expensive but it does the job far better than the other versions floating around.

I can't wait to use the Tongkat after Ive finished my PCT and my test levels are back to normal. With a bit of Cialis thrown in, it boggles the mind to think what it could do................

[SS1476]

I went 20wks, and did start
using HCG 2xwk from wk 8 on.
And I can say for sure, the boys
stayed full, and happy.
Ive said it once, and say it again..
Your deca threads made me rethink
it, and Im saving it for next time.
thanks for sharing again.

[Outlaw**]

ive never done deca before, my last cycle was test e only. No problems what so ever. And I used 6ox as my pct. Now I know better and have proper pct on hand.

[dabigcheese]

Test only cycles are the easiest because you never have serious libido problems (if anything keeping the libido under check is a problem!).

But once you throw the deca in, its a bit different. It also depends what ratios you use for Test and Deca. Ideally it should be Test: Deca = 2:1.

In my case, this would've meant using more than 800 grams of Test a week which was out of question. Hence, the Deca dick problems. I guess if I was using 400 mgs a week of Deca and 750 of Test E, there'd be no issue at all.

What ratio do you plan to use?

[BigChris]

The true cause of deca dick and why it sometime takes so long to 'cure' has not been found yet. I know everybody says that you should run test higher to avoid deca dick but I can assure you that it is not a foolproof prevention.

[dabigcheese]

Chris,

When did you run Deca last and at what quantities?

[Outlaw**]

I was planning on running 600mgs wk cyp and 400mgs wk deca. But I'm really thinking of dropping the deca to 300. All I want the deca for is to lube the joints. Whats the point of using the deca if you cant get laid?

[dabigcheese]

I don't know how much difference the Deca makes in terms of gains. If I was using 300 mgs a week instead of 500, how much of a difference would it really make (since I am also using 600 mgs a week of Test)?

[BigChris]

I have run it sub-600mg's p/w, and above - have varied it to test my body's own optimal 'requirement'.

I have not done deca in a while now...probably not in the last two years if I can recall correctly (have not used large quantities over the last 4 years anyway).
I have switched to boldenone - and am quite pleased with it. Gains are slower and less...but what I have gained I kept which was not the case when I used deca.

[BigChris]

I do miss the 'lubrication' properties of deca though

[BG]

lol true, next time run ur test a little bit higher. When i do 400-500 mgs of deca/week i automatically run my test atleast 750mgs/week

Me too, but had to add letro this time so kinda washed away the higher test dosage, I hate Letro man, sucs.

[BG]

I was planning on running 600mgs wk cyp and 400mgs wk deca. But I'm really thinking of dropping the deca to 300. All I want the deca for is to lube the joints. Whats the point of using the deca if you cant get laid?

To grow

[dabigcheese]

I have run it sub-600mg's p/w, and above - have varied it to test my body's own optimal 'requirement'.

I have not done deca in a while now...probably not in the last two years if I can recall correctly (have not used large quantities over the last 4 years anyway).
I have switched to boldenone - and am quite pleased with it. Gains are slower and less...but what I have gained I kept which was not the case when I used deca.

If you've not used Deca in two years there is probably none left in your system now. Even though Deca is a notoriously long ester and stays for seemingly forever, it does leave the system after 18 months.

Your Deca dosages don't seem terribly high for your size (Id imagine you are obviously much bigger than me). I suspect something else is at play here with your libido.

You should give Andriol a try. I once wrote an e-mail to Mick Hart (of layman's guide to steroids fame) about Andriol and he said that he used Andriol virtually year round and it gave him phenomenally good erections. And he's been heavy juicer for donkeys years and is now in his 40s.......

Btw, have you had libido problems even when you have not run Deca but run Test at fairly high quantities?

[dabigcheese]

I do miss the 'lubrication' properties of deca though

Yes that is happy side of Deca use. It certainly "cushions" the joints very well.

[BigChris]

If you've not used Deca in two years there is probably none left in your system now. Even though Deca is a notoriously long ester and stays for seemingly forever, it does leave the system after 18 months.

When the shit hit the fan all probabilities were eliminated and deca was the only one who really stood out. Whatever it has done seems to be long-term (or phucin' permanent but I wish not to think of that!) and is definitely not related to levels of the drug currently in ones system.

Btw, have you had libido problems even when you have not run Deca but run Test at fairly high quantities?

Yes I did have problems - even at HIGH weekly test levels. The MAIN problem with deca is not just limited to erection problems, but to the demolishing of sex-drive. This is one thing I have picked up from the medical staff - they have had many athletes who complained of little or no sex-drive after LONG TERM nandrolone use (and this is MY biggest problem because there is nothing Cialis cannot solve when it comes to getting the goods to perform)

[dabigcheese]

Chris, you should definitely try Andriol. You've got nothing to lose if the bloody medics can't figure out what's wrong.

[vitor]

High Progesterone levels from deca is what gives impotence. Test can not block progesterone, winstrol might.

[dabigcheese]

Yes I did have problems - even at HIGH weekly test levels. The MAIN problem with deca is not just limited to erection problems, but to the demolishing of sex-drive. This is one thing I have picked up from the medical staff - they have had many athletes who complained of little or no sex-drive after LONG TERM nandrolone use (and this is MY biggest problem because there is nothing Cialis cannot solve when it comes to getting the goods to perform)

How many Deca cycles have you done to date? And how long were those cycles normally?

[dabigcheese]

High Progesterone levels from deca is what gives impotence. Test can not block progesterone, winstrol might.

But the progesterone should have left the system by now? He hasn't done a deca cycle in 2 years.......

[BigChris]

High Progesterone levels from deca is what gives impotence. Test can not block progesterone, winstrol might.

Progesterone and prolactin was covered by cabergoline so no, it was not the cause.

[dimjon555]

Where can I find some Tongkat Ali? and what is it really?

[donpinn]

High Progesterone levels from deca is what gives impotence. Test can not block progesterone, winstrol might.

So would winny with deca and redkat or tongkat ali would be a decent cutting cycle if test wasnt avalible?

[vitor]

So would winny with deca and redkat or tongkat ali would be a decent cutting cycle if test wasnt avalible?

I would switch the Deca with Primo, and run winstrol/Primo instead. Deca is very supressive(shouldnt be run without Test), and causes water-retension, which is not ideal when cutting.

Redkat and Tongat ali is the same. It would be best to save that for pct.

[PhiNally]

I didnt have to much of a problem with deca dick but after the cycle, i feel like i don't even have a sex drive, sucks real bad.