Quote Originally Posted by Mike Dura
From all I hear and read I'm a little wary of clen. Do you feel a sense of general fatigue with it? A few people here described on this site describe feeling fatigue and feeling shitty in general. I'm leaning more towards ephedra/caffeine over clen. I've done this before and I felt exhilerated on it and it's pretty effective. I don't like feeling anxious and shaky and clen is not really good for the heart.
i don't feel more or less tired on it. by the end of the day i feel more tired than usual, but i think that's just because it's making me burn more calories than usual throughout the day. i feel pretty alright on it other than a couple issues here and there.

as to whether eca is a better idea or not is highly debatable. some say eca is even more dangerous than clen. clen just needs to be slowly increased over time in the beginning and things need to be monitored like bp and all, but i honestly feel better on clen than i ever did on an eca stack. the anxiousness on clen is only as bad as how much you up your dose. i feel no more anxious than if i drank an energy drink like monster or something along those lines.

also, just to update, took the clen after my cardio today and kept my hr lower today while doing cardio (130-140bpm). i had absolutely no problems at all. so i'd advise all others from my personal experience to never take clen before cardio.