brother wants to do first cycle

[MasterShake]

Why? Test alone is THE beginner cycle...

[LX-1]

Why? Test alone is THE beginner cycle...

why not go with something more mild when first testing the waters? may as well save the stronger stuff like test for later on if you plan on being in this game for a long time.

[MasterShake]

why not go with something more mild when first testing the waters? may as well save the stronger stuff like test for later on if you plan on being in this game for a long time.

Not sure if var plus tbol for 8-12 weeks is "milder" than test e, but it is not as good for the liver, espescially for more than four weeks... Just my opinion...

[LX-1]

Not sure if var plus tbol for 8-12 weeks is "milder" than test e, but it is not as good for the liver, espescially for more than four weeks... Just my opinion...

i didnt think about this for some reason . . .i know anavar isnt 17 aa but is tbol?

[Hellmaskbanned]

i didnt think about this for some reason . . .i know anavar isnt 17 aa but is tbol?

They both are liver toxic.

[MasterShake]

This cycle would not be good to me because you would have to cut it short due to the liver toxicity, and they are both a little on the weak side as far as anabolic effect. Your bro sounds like a big dude from his stats. don't tease him with the shorter weaker more toxic all oral cycle. my opinion.

[MasterShake]

I would go with the first cycle in the "cycles for the newbie" section, and throw in four weeks of dbol as a frontload... Sorry, skip the dbol if you want to keep it simple and start it off light.